Winston Baker: Using His Former Law-Enforcement Experience with Knowledge of Law in America, Tricked Another Christian Brother Out of Ownership of Valuable Property that was Used for the Glory of God!"
Winston Baker: Affair Introduction
Winston Baker: first minor emails
Winston Baker: last correspondence here
This is the last evidence of emails. It shows a progression of what is going on. From this point we stop feeling confident that the whole issue is known and can only progress worse. Mr. Baker answered every email.
from: [Property Owner] <PropertyOwner@gmail.com>
to: Winston Baker <brobaker@gmail.com>
date: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:48 PM
subject: Any Words About or From God Now?
Let me see. It is now the end of July and something
happened--or has not happened--that I fully expected.
You wanted to come and hand me my property back personally: a man whose face I
never want to see. Better that than sending my things back so the purpose of the
theft would be thwarted. Is it true you won an expensive camera and other things
for all eternity?
I only want you to be famous now and improve your "ministry" teaching the eighth
commandment.
I left for work. I'm in Fort Lauderdale now. Pray for God to give you more
things you never worked for.
[Watch now how his behavior progresses to hatred of the one he stole the property from:]
from: Winston Baker <brobaker@gmail.com>
to: Property Owner <PropertyOwner@gmail.com>
date: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:17 PM
subject: Re: Any Words About or From God Now?
Who are you? Why are you sending emails to this address? What are you talking
about? Am I supposed to know you? If you are who I think you are I want to let
you know that we are all being tested and proven. I hope we past our test.
Remember that God is in control.
May God bless you as you move on with your life, whoever you are. I hope you
find peace in your heart. I hope you can forgive whoever it was who may have
offended you. Remember to love your enemies. God will bless you like he did Job
if you will repent and be converted.
I will keep you in my prayers, whoever you are.
[As you can see here the forgiveness was taken for granted before the crime. He then says that both he and the owner are being "tested and proven." What he means by that is to make an excuse for why he did not return the stolen items when he said he would. His word he claimed he received from the Lord failed, and therefore his failure is being tested, and the owner's patience is also being tested. He will not cease more than hinting that his deeds were sanctioned by the Lord and how his continued crime is also prompted by the Holy Spirit.]
from: Winston Baker <brobaker@gmail.com>
to: Property Owner <PropertyOwner@gmail.com>
date: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:57 PM
subject: Re: Any Words About or From God Now?
What are you talking about? Do I know you?
from: Property Owner <PropertyOwner@gmail.com>
to: Winston Baker <brobaker@gmail.com>
date: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:01 PM
subject: Re: Any Words About or From God Now?
You have some $1700 dollars worth of things from someone you don't know? Then I guess you didn't know he loaned you things? But you have emails that said I was kind to do that. You have them by accident?
from: Winston Baker <brobaker@gmail.com>
to: Property Owner <PropertyOwner@gmail.com>
date: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:13 PM
subjectRe: Any Words About or From God Now?
I know of someone who gave me gifts. I am thankful. If
you were the person who gave me those gifts for the service. Thank you. If you
are not, may God bless you.
I must go now. Good night
from: Property Owner <PropertyOwner@gmail.com>
to: Winston Baker <brobaker@gmail.com>
date: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:20 PM
subject: Re: Any Words About or From God Now?
I am NOT the one who gave you those gifts. That is why
from the beginning you never saw the need to be grateful so that you cannot
figure out why you couldn't say good bye. Thieves are not given gifts: they take
them.
For the value of what they were and what I was doing, there would have been no
misunderstandings. I will have to let others be the judge of whether or not
"accidents" like this could happen by accident. I wouldn't take anything even of
much less value from anyone without making everything clear what was going on
with the owners. If such a thing then happened by "accident" as it can only
happen under the likes of someone like you, then, upon the command of the
rightful owners, I would send their property back with fear immediately. I would
not go around telling the owner that I have to put my paws on his property
because I'm scared it might get damaged.
I don't read the bible and see your example anywhere for any of God's children
under any condition, to test them or otherwise. I don't see where someone was
very kind and then wound up being "tested" by some ungrateful ministry-owner who
preaches to others who are not capable of what you are capable of.
from: Brother Baker <brobaker@gmail.com>
to: Property Owner <PropertyOwner@gmail.com>
date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:16 AM
subject: Re: Any Words About or From God Now?
It these loans or gifts of yours were really stolen as you said then then your
friend whom you gave these things to is aware that you went to the authorities
for help. Did the police agree with you that your property was stolen by my
friend and yours? I hope not because that would not be the truth. When he heard
what you did he lost all conviction and all his sympathies were severed because
he saw the madness of hatred that you have by seeking to rob your friend of his
freedom.
One must not break the law to enforce the law. How can you accuse someone of
breaking the eighth commandments while you yourself is breaking the ninth
commandment. Thus the bible said you are inexcusable because while you are
accusing your friend of stealing you are breaking the law by lying, gossiping,
slandering, backbiting... and tha maliciously. Shame on you.
You have complicated matters by sending out loads of emails to your friends,
publishing your hatred on the internet. Naturally you presented yourself as the
great victim. You solicit sympathies from family and friends. You are on your
own campaign. You are on a 'smear campaign' that you will have to face in the
judgment. And all because you felt that something was stolen from you?
[Website response: we were told by the victim that
this is the only website hosting this incident. Still we acknowledge that
nothing bad would have happened had the crime not been committed.]
What you are doing only creates alienation. You show yourself to be hateful &
hating. You are consumed by your own hatred.
We all have suffered the loss of many things. Are you an exception?
This is the sole reason why you must wait on the Lord because while you are
calling someone else a 'thief' you yourself is doing the work of a 'liar'. It
took the police to correct you on that point but that was not enough. You
attempted convert a simple misunderstanding or mistake between you and your
friend, into a felony crime and seek the hands of the law to support your false
charges. For this reason you must wait before the Lord & on the Lord for I
cannot help you at this time.
I do not give tests for even I am subject to tests everyday. You seem to be out
of control as your anger and rage and impatience lead you to abandon God and
take matters into your hands but you seem to forget that you are not God's only
child.
Your impatience is getting the best of you and as this spirit runs deep and
strong in your own family I am not the one to appease or cater to this family
heritage.
My friend will contact you shortly about the return of some gifts. He is not
obligated to return anything to you any time soon. You have no power over him to
do anything. And worse than that we do not believe God hears prayers of
malicious slanderers or those who try to have their friend arrested by telling
lies on them. Under such hateful, ungodlike, evil condition as this you could
not put the fear of God even in a chicken let alone a human being.
Pray for us as we pray for you for we all need to repent and be converted. Until
then.... may our tests prove to others what and whom we serve!
from: Property Owner <PropertyOwner@gmail.com>
to: Brother Baker <brobaker@gmail.com>
date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 2:20 PM
subject: Re: Any Words About or From God Now?
Oh you said did the bible agrees that my things were stolen? Is that what you
said? If the bible calls you a thief, as you are, and the law does not, would
you be satisfied with the law? When the Sunday laws come and the bible calls you
a worshipper of the Beast and the law doesn't, you would be content with what
the law of the land says? YES! What then are you ministering to others for?
Any place in the bible where someone's hard-earned property were stolen by the
Lord because the Lord was not powerful enough to give the thief what he coveted
by him working for it? By him having a clear agreement with the person who owns
the things? Without deceit and trickery? A person who is deceitful is not
hateful? You knew the law would not call you a thief, but the bible would and
you would know what hatred and madness is? You would be satisfied that the law
does not call you a thief even though the bible does?
You said you didn't see a need to say good-bye to me. Not even for just common
Christian courtesy, but after insisting I was so generous for "loaning" you my
things at my personal sacrifice out of state to you, you tell me you didn't see
the need to say good-bye to me and you're such an expert on knowing what hatred
is? The bible told you, now that I DEMAND that you return my things immediately,
that you can hate the owner as you did when you tricked him after he demanded
his things from you when he came back from Charlotte? That you hate the owner
even before you stole the things by the mere fact you were so grateful that you
couldn't say good-bye? Truly sure you didn't already know that the owner would
never have allowed you to take his things away?
No thief will see himself guilty. He will only see the victim and the
executioner of justice as guilty. I said you are a thief because the bible says
that you are. All people are not sinners, hateful, backbiters, etc. because you
are one. Your whole life appears to be a major dress-rehearsal. You didn't see
the need to say good-bye to me. The reason for that is not because you are a
minister of the Gospel--is not because you have love in your heart for anyone,
or in particular, God's people.
I am not deceived by your rantings. For as many that are tolerant of your
upbringing will be many who would know what a thief is. You did not grow up the
way you are by people around you having good sense. You have property that
belongs to me that I worked for. I am not ashamed for doing everything in my
power to make sure, to the best of my ability, that this is the very last time
you are able to accomplish something like that.
Did you ask for forgiveness before the crime? Did you know forgiveness was
really that cheap? Did you know before the crime that people would be evil and
backbiting as I'm telling you what you have done to your face, and that all
crimes are found outside of anything you have done and do: you are the only
righteous one?
Even serial killers like Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and others don't write
nonsense letters to victims telling them, "We have all suffered the loss of many
things. Are you the only exception?" I am not deceived by your nonsense, Mr.
Baker. I am not your family members nor your other victims. We live in an age
and a day where a victim is becoming more and more a criminal after he already
suffered. I do not care about even the so-called alienation you are talking
about that encouraged you to grow up the way you have.
Just join me in publishing even all these emails, so that the great confidence
you show in long practice as you grew up will either destroy me, or you, or
both. I am not interested in the favor of man. I don't care if people treat you
well after this. I want them to know and understand what you are capable of so
that no one else falls a victim to add to the great record of more people who
suffer loss in this evil world.
I don't care what you or any other thief seem to see in their victims. That is
immaterial to me. If you can accomplish what you did, then it is quite clear
that your eyesight has already been corrupted. The worst is to constantly cloak
your deeds in the precious name of Jesus. Content that the law calls you an
upstanding citizen while the bible calls you a thief. Then putting all your
actions under the name of God. It would have been far better the other way
around. You are going to learn that.
from: Brother Baker <brobaker@gmail.com>
to: Property Owner <PropertyOwner@gmail.com>
date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:46 PM
subject: Re: Any Words About or From God Now?
I guess I don't have anything for you since I am paying for it. You owe my siste
a lot so did you count up how much you owe her?
Sorry I can't help you at the moment. By the way a liar and a thief are both in
the same boat.And if I am a thief then you are a liar. And a liar can do far
more damange than a thief becasue satan is a liar and the father of lies. So
guess who is his son?
If I should for one moment believe that I am a thief as you claimed then I would
have paid for everthing I now have at very high price, according to you and you
would dare not expect me to give to you what I have paid for. If I was a thief
then you have overcharged me and now you owe me big time.
You sure are flunking your test real bad. Every 'righteous indignation' is
coming out of your soul. Under the guise of warning people you pleasure yourself
and seem to find much to keep you alive.
I am glad for what is going on with you. I am glad we have this experience. I am
glad the this opportunity is proving what we are really made of. I am glad for
you. I have no regret for leaving without sayin good bye. I am glad for exactly
what has happen. You deserve to be tested. You deserve to know that your
religion is an imaginary religion. You deserve to know that you have a religion
of feelings. You deserve to know that you are acting like a big immature fool?
You deserve to know that you are acting like a big whinnig cry baby who must
have his bottle or he is going make everybody miserable. You deserve to know
that you do not know Jesus. You deserve to know that it is not hopeless. You
deserve to know you are not as nice & kind as you think you are. You deserve to
know that you are self-righteous and proud. You deserve to know that you are a
gossip, slander, backbiter, talebearer.
You deserve to know that you are not right in your head. You deserve to know
that this is only a test!
I feel so sorry for you. So very sorry. It is true that for many of us this is
all the heaven that we are going to have.
from: Property Owner <PropertyOwner@gmail.com>
to: Brother Baker <brobaker@gmail.com>
date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:53 PM
subject: Re: Any Words About or From God Now?
You sound like a victim. Lots of pain but none would have been if you were not
there. Like the witnesses here to this. You knew a great deal. You knew I would
not allow you to take my property. That is probably because you yourself would
not allow that on yours. You knew everything except that the victim would be
upset? Your trailer is there at the house. It has a protective device on it.
Why? Because we all experience loss and are not the only professional victims.
What would have happened--how would things have been if you were not there--if
you were not treacherous--if you were like Jesus--if you were just normal. Your
sister never stole from me. Her husband never did. None of your family members
ever did.
So you really are not a thief and now you have nothing for me? You can keep my
kindness forever and you're not a thief because the law says so? The bible still
doesn't count?
Smile. You're on candid camera. If you say you now have nothing for me, standing
up for the law, then make that truly known. Remember: don't hate. Don't be a
victim. We all have backbiters, gossipers and all the others. In my case, I
can't necessary predict when they would come. I don't steal their things. If I
did that, then I would know they would come. Don't be like you? You will keep my
things now because I shouldn't hate? Because now the thief is paying for
something instead of the real victim now? Don't cry about natural results. Take
the test, you said. We all experience loss. "Shame on you!"
[The last emails are showing Winston Baker having
second thoughts returning what he took because he can't stand hatred and malice.
We don't think it was ever understood that thieves would have second thoughts
about returning what they took?]
Winston Baker: Affair Introduction
Winston Baker: first minor emails
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