THE FAIRY TALES ABOUT THE LEGITIMATE EXISTENCE OF THE "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS!"

Mission Impossible for the "Progressive Adventists!"

All the arguments about Adventism are really very easy so that anyone can understand them. It doesn't matter if seemingly difficult arguments are being brought against the Church by learned scholars. Means have been provided to make an easy victory by the Church.

In order to be a legitimate movement, the "Progressive Adventists," or anyone else, must not just keep criticizing the standing order of the Adventist Church, but they must prove the Adventist Church errs by going into the last day prophecies and showing how she misinterprets. Listen closely: THEY MUST THEN REPLACE THE ERRING INTERPRETATIONS THEY CLAIM THE CHURCH HAS WITH THEIR TRUE ONES. THEY MUST HOLD BETTER REVELATION SEMINARS and show that they're maintaining the special now unsealed prophecies given to God's people for the last days correctly.

FAILURE TO DO THIS IS PROOF OF APOSTASY.

NEXT: By them constantly writing, criticizing, moaning and urging members of the other "classes" of Adventism to listen to their interpretations, they are proving that they also do not support all this classes business in Adventism. This is proven merely by the fact of what will happen if we all listen to them. If we listen to them then we become members of their "class" and we all become "Progressive" Adventists. Then all the other classes will become non-existent. They are showing that is their goal. Therefore, don't fault us for telling you we don't support all this "classes" business in the Adventist Church and how we are working to stop this nonsense. The so-called, "Progressive Adventists," as we have told you, also don't believe in the very classes business they forced upon the body.

Observation: The "Progressive Adventists" have told you that they don't believe a national or global Sunday Law is coming. What then will happen when it does come? What will happen when they see it come? Will they cry and ask for forgiveness?

What happened when people urged that we attack Iraq for Weapons of Mass Destruction and the whole world found out there were none? The question above is here answered.

Ron Corson methodically deletes my posts on his blog!  This is expected from that race of dissidents who claim we must be TOLERANT of ideas not our own so that we can let their INTOLERANT ideas dominate the Adventist Church!  Here are the posts he had delete.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTIST!"

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "LIBERAL ADVENTIST!"

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVEN A "TRADITIONAL ADVENTIST!"

YOU ARE EITHER AN ADVENTIST OR YOU ARE NOT!

We were castigated for saying these words in Adventism.  We were then called:

DIVISIVE!

Ron Corson Again!

True Adventists believe in the Investigative Judgment, in the validity of the Sabbath, in the authority and inspiration of Ellen White and that Sunday will become the Mark of the Beast, among other truths.  "Progressive Adventists," leaving a trailing claim to respect diverse ideas and views in Adventism, then step up and broad-basedly attack these truths without any hint that others should have a right to disagree with them, claiming those "positions" are not biblical.  Honest guests already witnessed the true Adventists prove that their beliefs are true AT THE REVELATION SEMINARS THE TRUE ADVENTISTS HELD.

Since the "Progressive Adventists" then attacked the special truths, THE HONEST GUESTS THEN WENT TO ASK THESE "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS" WHEN THEY ARE HOLDING THEIR REVELATION SEMINARS that would show the correct way to interpret the special revelations of the Lord, but they were disappointed.  The services alone practiced by these "Progressive Adventists" show that THEY DON'T HOLD REVELATION SEMINARS.  THEY HAVE COME IN ORDER TO SHUT DOWN THESE SPECIAL TRUTHS GIVEN BY GOD TO HIS PEOPLE.  They're not here to show the true Adventists how to more accurately interpret the special revelations of inspiration graciously given by God.  They are here TO SHUT THEM DOWN AND DESTROY ALL INTEREST IN THEM!

They are telling us these things are not needed because they "divide the Christian community at large" which is their ONE WORLD CHURCH.  They are even showing that they wished the Lord Himself never gave these messages.  THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE LOST!  Just this fact alone breaks open the true state of the so-called "Progressive Adventists."  (People actually didn't ask the "Progressive Adventists" when their Revelation seminars are being held because they're not too bright.  They were not witty enough to ask them about this).

The loyal Adventists who constructed the Adventist Church and who were always around are again confronted by the Advancing Johnny-come-lately "different classes of Adventists" crying out for "CHANGE!"

The author here talks about that confrontation and refuses to go to the other churches they keep telling us are so good and valid.  He shows us in his writing that one group here in the Adventist Church needs to "CHANGE!"  Who should change?

Shouldn't the group that keeps crying out the word "CHANGE" actually change?

Ron Corson attacks some of the main truths of Adventism, questions even the advancing Sunday law and that it is the Mark of the Beast, questions the Investigative Judgment truth and other truths of Adventism.  He tells us flatly and plainly irregardless of differences of opinion that these "belief systems" are not in the bible.

The problem is that true Adventists PROVE these things true by going into the prophecies.  The fabled "Progressive Adventists" REFUSE TO GO INTO THE PROPHECIES AND SPECIAL LAST DAY TRUTHS OF ADVENTISM in order to show how erroneous are the truths of the true Adventists.  That is the reason for the recent turmoil in the Adventist Church through their control of the Adventist structure through infiltration.  They kept suppressing every special truth the Adventist Church had that separated her from all the other churches.  Yet these "Progressive Adventists" STILL PLACE THEIR OVERBEARING OPINIONS ON THE WHOLE BODY AND DEMAND THAT WE MUST LISTEN TO THEM.  THEY WILL NOT KEEP SILENT UNTIL THEIR IDEAS NOT JUST CO-EXIST WITH TRUE ADVENTISM, BUT DOMINATE IT!

The bible tells us that THOSE WHO REFUSE TO TEACH AND PREACH THE SPECIAL MESSAGES GRACIOUSLY GIVEN IN LAST DAY PROPHECY ARE LOST!  It is these same people criticizing virtually the only people and church on earth that appreciates the condescension of the Lord even on the Isle of Patmos to give His Children special truths.  Who then are you going to listen to?

The basis of Ron Corson's whole messages hidden under a veil, along with the fabled class of "Progressive Adventists" IS THAT THE ADVENTIST CHURCH MUST STOP PREACHING THE SPECIAL TRUTHS GIVEN TO HER BY GOD!  That is why these Jesuits can't keep their overbearing opinions to themselves BUT ALWAYS MOVE TO CONTROL THE CHURCH WHILE CRYING OUT FOR FREEDOM OF OPINIONS AND DIFFERING OPINIONS AT THE SAME TIME.

The Jesuits never give up!  Another webpage has his lies repeated again!

http://newprotestants.com/traditio.htm

Ron Corson:
However one may want to believe that someone or some group has all the answers about Religion and God, we can be sure of one thing, they don't.

Our Reply:  Unfortunately, if we can fight for differences of opinions to dominate everywhere, as the revisionists for the different CLASSES of Adventists claim, why would they now want to tell us there is something we can be sure of with them around?  There are differences of opinions, and just like with Christ who told us we can solve all issues with the scriptures and the power of God, we can solve the issues that are fragmenting and destroying God's Church also.  It starts with the people who are fragmenting the church into classes BECAUSE THE CHURCH TEACHES THINGS THAT WILL DAMAGE ROME!  The movements of apostasy always start out with how many different opinions dominate the church OR WHICH SHOULD DOMINATE IT.  In a short time the services in the church change and the special TRUTHS of Adventism are suppressed and challenged everywhere.  Who winds up doing these things?  The people who tell us how they want all people to disagree and have all kinds of varying views.

Ron Corson: Whether they are Traditional/Historic Seventh-day Adventists (SDA's), Progressive SDA's or Moderate SDA's, all see only part of the picture, "a poor reflection in a mirror". The question before the people of the Seventh-day Adventist church is how to pursue the knowledge and truth of God while not stepping on others personal search and convictions.

Our Reply:  But we already told these "Progressive Adventists" the answer:  start your own church and don't make it look like YOU ARE TRYING TO TRANSFORM THE ADVENTIST CHURCH IN ORDER TO STOP IT FROM PREACHING ITS SPECIAL TRUTHS FOR THE LAST DAYS in particular, AGAINST YOUR POPE.

So here it comes!  All kinds of talk about first the validity of DIFFERING OPINIONS before the long process of inserting their tyrannical agendas come in:

Ron Corson: Unfortunately, we cannot all be right. The history of the Christian era is filled with differences of opinions. The beginning of the SDA church is based upon differences with other Christians. Even once the SDA church became an organization there were considerable differences of opinions, even among the pioneers who formed the SDA church.

Our Reply:  Differences of opinions!  Differences of opinions!  First the people of apostasy must make it look like they favor everyone having their different opinions.  They then make us think that they support FREEDOM!  HISTORY has proven this is a lie over and over and over again!

Ron Corson: What is meant by the labels Traditional/Historic SDA's, Progressive SDA's, and Moderate SDA's? These labels are only useful for those who want to be described by the terms. If a label is used in a pejorative way it loses its value; it becomes another form of name-calling.

Our Reply:  Jesuits love wars, torture and tragedies, BUT HATE NAME-CALLING!  People might call them Jesuits.

Ron Corson: This is often seen in the political arena but for our discussion name-calling is not what we want. We are using labels to assign certain peoples doctrinal views into simple categories for the sake of comparing or contrasting views. For this discussion the moderate views will not be highlighted since the Moderate encompasses people who in one area may agree with the Traditional/Historic view and in another area agree with the Progressive view.

Our Reply:  This Jesuit is telling us there is no TRUTH because other sincere ones disagree with any one conclusion.  When that happens SOON THE CHURCH WILL BE CHANGED TO THEIR LYING OPINIONS.  He is using the word "views" and refuses to acknowledge that the Adventist Church was given the TRUTH.

Ron Corson: Generally the Moderate then is in the middle of the two categories, equally divided. While many people probably consider themselves Moderate, if they spend the time to analyze their doctrines it is likely they will fall more to one side or the other.

Our Reply:  You have to examine how many times Jesuits tell us we can't know the truth, and will then make a definite statement like just above that everyone must accept.  They were the ones who copped out of knowing what is truth.  They are also the same people WHO ALWAYS ULTIMATELY INSIST ON LEADING.  Is it really "likely they will fall more to one side or the other?"  This is not an opinion anymore?

Ron Corson: In many peoples minds being a Moderate is the place to be. Hopefully this article and others like it will enable these people clarify for themselves their own positions.

Our Reply:  Positions?  Not TRUTHS?  There is no truth except that people will "likely... fall more to one side or the other?"

Ron Corson: Traditional/Historic SDA's desire to hold to and continue with the beliefs which were instituted at the foundation of the Seventh-day Adventist church, during the mid to latter 1800's.

Our Reply:  THIS IS A JESUIT!  Is it true the "TraditionalHistoric SDA's desire to hold to and continue with the BELIEFS that were instituted at the foundation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, during the mid to latter 1800's?  Or do they desire to hold on TO THE TRUTHS that were instituted back then?  We are showing you clear signs of how to detect the mad scientists of the Antichrist!

Ron Corson: A move away from those traditions or teachings is viewed with suspicion or as error.

Our Reply:  A move from those TRUTHS is viewed as what?

Ron Corson: This can be demonstrated by the resistance which occurred in the Traditional/Historic SDA's rejection of the 1957 book Questions on Doctrines. It was felt that the book was too great a departure from the historic position of the Seventh-day Adventist church. The move to use drama or contemporary Christian music in the worship service is often thought as worldly entertainment entering the church.

Our Reply:  Then I suppose, since any attempt to bring contemporary Christian music throughout all of history was met with TROUBLE, the Johnny-come-lately Adventists need to use their Jesuit cups and think back on all the statements they made in history that said, THEY DO NOT WANT TO OFFEND OTHERS.  That's why they couldn't comment on touchy subjects in the church.  Now if all history shows you there will be trouble if you mix a contemporary beat with the sacred songs, what is a sweet, docile, very tolerant Adventist Jesuit going to do with his desire to push his nonsense on the church above what everyone else thinks?

Ron Corson: The Historic/Traditionalist desires to hold on to several "pillars" of the SDA church. Some key doctrines would be:

Our Reply:  They hold on to several TRUTHS given to the Adventist Church!

Ron Corson: The Investigative Judgment, the Sanctuary doctrine. (Begun in 1844 with a judgment of the "books")

Our Reply:  The Investigative Judgment TRUTH!

Ron Corson: The view that the SDA church is the "Remnant"

Our Reply:  The TRUTH that the SDA Church is the Remnant!

Ron Corson: Ellen G. White as the prophet to the church also known as the Spirit of Prophecy. (Straight Testimony, Present Truth).

Our Reply:  EXACTLY!  Far better Ellen White the prophet of the church than the "Progressive Adventists" who fabricated "worship styles" and still insist we must believe that malarkey!

Ron Corson: The Seventh day Sabbath with the implication that Sunday is a false day of worship. (Including concepts of Babylon, Mark of the Beast, and Seal of God.)

Our Reply:  The Sabbath TRUTH with the proof that Sunday worship is false worship and will cause a great crisis in the future.  That's why the so-called "HISTORIC ADVENTISTS" expound upon the book of Revelation and the end-time prophecies, while the "sweet," wishy-washy, variant-loving other classes suppress all consideration for those truths.  That is where we have shown the warning at the end of the book of Revelation that says if any man shall take away from the messages of that book, God will take his part out of the Book of Life and out of the Holy City.

Ron Corson: At the other end of the spectrum is the Progressive Seventh-day Adventists. This could be termed liberal except that the term liberal Christian is generally used of those who believe that Christ was not resurrected, miracles did not happen and other tenants which most Progressive SDA's would not agree. The liberal Christians are by this most accepted understanding, those involved in the Jesus Seminars, or people like Bishop Spong. While such liberals Christians do exist in the Seventh-day Adventist church. They would not make up a sizable portion of those who would feel comfortable with the label Progressive SDA. Of the key doctrines listed above as the "Pillars" of Traditional/Historic SDA's the Progressive SDA's would hold to significant modifications.

Our Reply:  OF THE KEY "TRUTHS" listed above as the "Pillars" of Traditional/Historic SDA's what?

Ron Corson: A differing view of what the Investigative Judgment is or acknowledgment that the Investigative Judgment is not Biblical. (And as such a differing view of Christ Activities from His ascension to His Second Coming.)

Our Reply:  Does this person believe "in his opinion" the Investigative Judgment truth is not biblical?

Question:  Do most all the other churches believe the Investigative Judgment truth is not biblical?

Ron Corson: An inclusion of other Christians into the category termed the "Remnant".

Our Reply:  Question:  Do most all the other churches believe all other Christians should be termed, "the Remnant?"

Ron Corson: A less rigid understanding of the role of Ellen G. White, ranging from acknowledging that she was not always correct in her teaching and understanding to the denial of Prophet status.

Question:  Do most all the other churches believe there should be "a less rigid" understanding of the role of Ellen G. White so that all of a sudden our church starts changing first secretly, then openly?  Then when we quote Ellen White, the wishy-washy, different opinions-loving "Adventists" then get angry and kick out true Adventist without them even being allowed to the hearings?  That is what the true Historic Adventist suffered for years and years from these variant-opinions-loving "Adventists."

Ron Corson: The Seventh day Sabbath is for our benefit, true Christians can and do worship on Sunday and it is not now, or latter, to become the Mark of the Beast, or the Seventh day Sabbath to be the Seal of God.

Question:  Do most all the other churches believe that Christians can worship on Sunday and that it is not now or later to become the Mark of the Beast?  AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL RON CORSON'S BELIEFS ARE MUCH MUCH OLDER THAN THE ADVANCING LIGHT GIVEN TO GOD'S PEOPLE!  Why then have not the experts on change, CHANGED all this time?

Ron Corson: The Progressive SDA's do not feel that the church should be limited by the teachings of its founders.

Our Reply:  Why then was the church "limited" to believe in "worship styles," womens ordination? Homosexuality acceptance in church, and many other things?  Why do the "Progressive Adventists" FIRST COMPLAIN THAT ANY OTHER GUIDANCE FROM ESTABLISHED LEADERS AND EVEN PROPHETS is being placed under a limitation BEFORE THEY THEN CHANGE AND FASHION THE CHURCH TO THEIR LIMITATIONS? (In particular the preaching of the real truth about the last days and exposing of Rome?)

Ron Corson: If errors are discovered in teachings previously held, the errors should be acknowledged and corrected.

Our Reply:  The problem is that ERRORS were not discovered in TRUTHS previously held.  It is hard to teach Jesuits anything!  If there are errors, how is a wishy-washy clan that always told us how they love diverse opinions and the ability to disagree even with their lies, going to tell us what those DEFINITE ERRORS are beyond all disagreement?  We've asked this question to the Jesuits before.  Surely Ron Corson heard this question, but it seems he'd rather not answer it.

Ron Corson: That all knowledge is built upon those who have gone before us, not only those in the SDA church, but also the many Christians outside and far before the existence of the SDA church.

Our Reply:  GO OUT AND MEET THEM!  Why remain here?  Because you are too sweet to fight?  Because you don't like fighting?

Ron Corson: Knowledge is progressive. What seemed right a hundred years ago may not be right for today or tomorrow.

Our Reply:  WHY THEN ARE ALL THE STATED BELIEFS RON CORSON HAS, ALL THE OTHER CHURCHES ALREADY HAD FOR CENTURIES?  How is it that many present-day Adventists once believed all that Ron Corson stated above that the "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS" believe before they were Adventists?  Should Adventists today GO BACK to believing that the Investigative Judgment truth is not true?  Should they GO BACK to believing that all the Christian Churches are "the Remnant?"  Should they GO BACK to believing there will be no Sunday Law as the Mark of the Beast?

Should all Adventists GO BACK to what Ron Corson and the others are struggling for us to accept?  Or should Adventists PROGRESS?

Ron Corson: Certainly the above lists do not cover all the areas of contention; the lists do not cover the differing views of the Atonement, or the nature of Christ, etc. The list however provides a good method of demarcation to establish the two sides in the discussion.

Our Reply:  But the other CLASSES of Adventists believe in differing views and love disagreement.  THAT'S WHY WE TELL THEM WE DISAGREE WITH THEM!  For some strange reason they can't understand what we're saying, so they're still here babbling, repeating and lying.

Ron Corson: In an issue of the science magazine Discover from a year ago an incident is recounted about a parasitic wasp and a cockroach. While pruning a tree a man noticed this rather docile cockroach that was right under his nose as he sawed on the tree. Wondering about the strange behavior of the cockroach he saw that instead of its normal long whip-like antennae there were only blunt stubs of antennae. At some point the wasp had cut the antennae of the cockroach making it docile and willing to be lead around by the wasp. The wasp then would lay her eggs in the cockroach and the larvae would grow eating upon their living host.

Our Reply:  Is that why the "Progressive Adventists" can't go home to those other Christian Churches they are so fond of, but want to live on the Adventist Church to PREVENT IT FROM LOUDLY PREACHING ITS TRUTHS?

Ron Corson: We also are dependent upon outside stimuli to understand the world around us and the God who calls us.

Our Reply:  But they supported relativism and nihilism, telling us about all the confusion we must accept and that we cannot arrive at TRUTH!  Why do all Jesuits then mid-flight keep telling us about learning and understanding?  Understanding what?  Opinions?  Or truths!

Ron Corson: We do not want to be docile and herded about at someone else's whim. Neither Traditional/Historic SDA's or Progressive SDA's would want that type of Religion.

Our Reply:  But the other CLASSES of Adventism pushed that we must always search and study, BUT WE CAN NEVER COME TO A KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH!  Why did they say this?  They said this was because OTHERS WOULD DISAGREE WITH OUR CONCLUSIONS.

Ron Corson: But to protect ourselves from such an experience we must ask questions, we must seek answers, and we must analyze data.

Our Reply:  WE?  Who is we?  We MUST analyze data?  If there is no truth because we always come to different conclusions, why then MUST we analyze data?  They already told us even the study of the Nature of Christ must be studied constantly but we must not think we can find the truth about it.  Why then study it?

Ron Corson: We must use our God given powers of reason. This is not merely man's reason, for God asks use to reason with Him.

Our Reply:  GOOD!  Ellen White was able to start her own denomination.  Why should we disregard her and listen to "Progressive Adventists" who want to send us back to Babylon?  Listen to reason and TAKE YOUR EYES OFF GOD'S CHURCH!  God's Church is ordered to preach the last prophetic truths AND TO EXPOSE YOUR ROME!  Stop trying to change it!

Why can't they build their own denomination?  Should we listen to the infiltrators who can't build their own denomination as they tell us not to listen to Ellen White?  Why do they say they are too sweet to fight when it is clear they belong to a religion that knows how to fight, torture and kill?  If they remain to relentlessly push their lies, isn't it clear that they want to fight?

Ron Corson: Christ while here on earth did not just ask people to do what he said; He revealed to them in His teachings and stories the why of things. Some He knew would not understand, most likely because they refused to try and understand, others might not understand because they had created a box for God and assumed they knew all they needed to know. But there were always those people who would search the teachings, taking time to reason the message out and draw conclusions that in the end lead them closer to God.

Our Reply:  Okay then, where in the Bible does it talk about "worship styles?"  Where does the Bible talk about varying opinions and how that is good for the church?  Where does it then say that varying opinions will suddenly cause the worship services of the church to have contemporary Christian music and drama skits in church even against all the opposition and trouble it causes?  Where does it say that the messages of Revelation are to be suppressed and ignored so we can join with the other churches?

Ron Corson: In the time of the apostle Paul the Bereans were considered noble for their decision to search things out and reason together in search of the truth.

Our Reply:  The Jesuit just kept telling us about "doctrines," "opinions" and "views!"  Why is he now telling us about "in search of the truth?"  That's why he can't understand the founders of the Remnant Church.  TRUTH passed him by and always will!

Ron Corson: In fact for us as human beings finding out the truth about God should be one of our highest goals. What is God like, what does He want from each of us, how should we relate to Him and our fellow human beings. This is our calling, our mission, to search for God and relate God to others around us, as ambassadors for God; we call others to pursue a relationship with God.

Our Reply:  YES, and God gave special truths in the books of Daniel and the Revelation that the other CLASSES of Adventists ALWAYS suppress.  Why then would "Progressive Adventists" tell us how they disagree with us and how we must reject our truths and believe what we used to believe before we were Adventists?

Ron Corson: It is perhaps here, how each of the two groups search for truth where the root of the division really lies. Both the Traditional/Historic SDA's and the Progressive SDA's would certainly agree that each is searching for the truth about God.

Our Reply:  NO!  THE TRUTH WAS ALREADY FOUND!  THIS IS THE YEAR 2010 AT THE VERY LAST DAY.  VIRTUALLY ALL TRUTH WAS ALREADY FOUND!  The other "classes" kept telling us about OPINIONS.  We didn't come to God's church to seek out opinions.  WE CAME HERE FOR THE TRUTH!  They told us that one person comes to his conclusions by the Holy Spirit, and the other person comes to a contradicting view also by the Holy Spirit.  They then told us they can't tell us who is right and that it is therefore wonderful and marvelous to enjoy diversity.

The trick here is that Ron Corson is using a Jesuit technique TO GET US SEARCHING FOR TRUTHS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.  Then naturally the result will be the church moving from truth and being led to settle down on lies.

Ron Corson: But both views are vastly different in what they see as truth, and both are different in what methods they use to arrive at their view of truth.

Our Reply:  But one side pretended to be wishy-washy and told the world how important it is to have differing opinions dominate the church.  They then pushed the concept of "worship styles" unannounced.  They now prescribe for us old views and teachings members in the Adventist Church used to have before they were Adventists and trick us by calling these deceptions "Progressive."

Ron Corson: Churches are built upon commonality of beliefs, the proliferation of denominations is ample evidence of people forming together under certain belief systems.

Our Reply:  But the Adventist Church was built under THE TRUTH!  God sent her messages, and in particular three distinct messages from Three Angels.  The problem is that the other CLASSES do not CLEARLY tell their brethren that they not only disbelieve those messages, BUT THAT THEY HATE THOSE MESSAGES AND ARE OATHED TO DESTROY THEM whether anyone likes it or not.  That is the essential problem.

Ron Corson: Similarly, groups may be bound together by common history or common values. A Baptist and a Seventh-day Adventist have many beliefs in common, many values in common, and often a common history. It is however, the differences that cause division, they may be worshipping the same God, yet one may look at the other as an apostate.

Our Reply:  We don't care about these differences that then allows infiltrators to change our church.  IF THERE IS CONFUSION where different classes in the Church are TUGGING AT EACH OTHER, THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE!  If change is taking place DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE "HISTORICAL/TRADITIONAL CLASS" of Adventists who resist change are the majority, then that means the CLASSES supporting change ARE INTOLERANT!  Change is taking place because somewhere in those CLASSES are very intolerant people.  Adventists were given THE TRUTH!  If you disbelieve that then you need to explain why you would want to remain and fight against those who differ.  If those "backward" Adventists DO NOT HAVE THE PROGRESSIVE BELIEFS YOU ARE TELLING US ALL THE OTHER CHURCHES BELIEVE, why are you here?

Ron Corson: Inside the Seventh-day Adventist denomination the same dynamics occur. The division is here already, it has been here for many years. Some may read this and claim that it is the "Omega" of prophecy, it is not, it is actually an attempt to re-establish a Bible based Seventh-day Adventist church.

Our Reply:  OOOH!  Suddenly Ron Corson can't accept differing opinions!  "IT IS NOT" he says?  He doesn't need to say, "In my opinion" it is not.  He says his clan of infiltrators ARE IN AN "ATTEMPT" to "RE-ESTABLISH A BIBLE-BASED SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH."  How did he know we were knocked off of being bible-based?  Who accomplished this knock-off?  Can people differ with his great revelation now that he has the truth here?  Did he find "worship styles" in the bible?  Did he explain how this was always here even before 1986 when we started hearing such words in the Church?

Ron Corson: Continued in part 2 "Truth, Progressive or Traditional?"

Truth, Progressive or Traditional?

If you were going to explain to someone how you arrive at "truth", which would you say is the best method? Is it to base you understanding of truth upon the tradition of your fathers or would it be arrived at by examining your previous beliefs and adjusting them as necessary to arrive at the most reasonable conclusions.

Our Reply:  We have no intention of "ADJUSTING" our previous TRUTHS in order to "arrive at the most reasonable conclusions" of the Jesuits.  WHICH OF THE BELIEFS RON CORSON TOLD US THE "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS" BELIEVE were not derived from tradition?  His beliefs ARE FAR OLDER THAN THE NEW REVELATIONS OF TRUTH GIVEN TO THE ADVENTIST CHURCH.

Ron Corson: Because we as a church once believed in something does not make that belief true.

Our Reply:  Because strange infiltrators telling us about diversity, relativism and free belief now tell us what we must accept or how we must CHANGE our beliefs, doesn't make them Adventists or even Christian!

THOSE WHO LOVE CHANGE SO MUCH AND CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT CHANGE SHOULD TRY CHANGING THEIR BELIEFS FIRST!  Historic Adventists don't talk about changing their truths.  Why then should they?  The "Progressive Adventists" like change?  THEN MAKE SURE THEY CHANGE THEIR BELIEFS!  You can see here the RELENTLESS cry of the infiltrators THAT "TRADITIONAL ADVENTISTS" MUST CHANGE THEIR BELIEFS.

Ron Corson: It does not make that belief false either, however it is important to analyze our positions to see whether they can stand up to objections or differing perspectives.

Our Reply:  If this Jesuit is too dunce to know that God's Church HAS ANALYZED IT'S POSITIONS why then does his movement STILL INSIST ON REMAINING AND FIGHTING WITH GOD'S REMNANT?

Ron Corson: If they stand, and if they have a good foundation to them we can feel confident in claiming them as our beliefs, as the best explanation of truth we currently have.

Our Reply:  Which Jesuit will come to that solid definite determination that everyone then has to accept?

Ron Corson: The Christian church has for many centuries used the Bible as our standard for revealed truth about God. The Scriptures which have been inspired by God, for our edification, instruction, correction and encouragement. True the Bible was not handed down to us by God, it was brought together by men who searched the writings of Religious people both of the Jewish and Christian perspective. Through the application of reason and logic and consistency the church fathers arrived at conclusions which have become our Bible.

Our Reply:  Why then did the "Progressive Adventists" and other classes "use logic" and then tell us about all the great differing opinions and how this was all great for the church?  Why then did they become sore when some Adventists no longer trusted the leadership figures that pushed this concept?  Why can't Ron Corson now realize that God's true people don't want his Jesuitism?

Ron Corson: Not everyone agreed on all the books placed in the Bible yet there was substantial agreement on all but a few books. Even among believers in Christ today there are still those who accept some books and reject others. The Roman Catholic accepts the Apocrypha while most Protestants do not. In most cases these variations in accepted books does not change much in the area of doctrine. Usually the variations come from differing interpretations of texts, which are accepted by Christians. One notable exception is eschatology, an area where more differences occur then perhaps any other.

Our Reply:  We are God's true people.  WE DON'T CARE ABOUT VARIATIONS!  We do not need to always mention how people differ so we can force our truths on the Adventist Church whether it likes it or not, like the other CLASSES of Adventists determine to force in their fantasies.  The Adventist Church already accepted THE TRUTH!

Ron Corson: When reviewing the list of beliefs which Traditional/Historic SDA's hold as pillars there is a striking similarity. The similarity is that they are not Biblically supportable positions.

Our Reply:  The poor Jesuit now simply can't understand what DISAGREEMENT is!  Here you see what we were talking about as Ron Corson, mid-flight condemns his own very positions. 

Ron Corson: For instance there is no Biblical verses teaching an Investigative Judgment or its origin in 1844.

Our Reply:  What then do we do with God's true people WHO KNOW THAT THERE ARE BIBLICAL VERSES TEACHING AN INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT and that it indeed starts in 1844?  Ron Corson's belief is so intuned with the other churches.  Why then is he here balling day and night?  IT IS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT THE ADVENTIST CHURCH TO PREACH THEIR TRUTHS AND AFFECT THE POPULATION SO THEY CAN SEE THE TRUTH.  The bible doesn't say, "Investigative Judgment."  The bible just talks about the JUDGMENT.  But it is still the same thing.  We've asked Ron Corson where the bible talks about "worship styles," and we have seen no answer yet.

Ron Corson: There is no mention of the SDA church in the Bible to cause one to render it as the Remnant;

Our Reply:  Why does Ron Corson forget to put how much it is "my own opinion?"  He is saying that the words "Seventh-day Adventist Church" is not there in the bible and therefore this church is not the Remnant.  Is the Gospel in the Old Testament?  Can you find that word in the Old Testament?  If the Adventist Church is not "the Remnant," why stay with it and NOT WITH THE OTHER CHURCHES THAT ALREADY ACCEPT RON CORSON'S BELIEFS?  They came into our church and taught our people to close their eyes, hold their hands up in the air and chant the name of Jesus day and night.  Can't you see and understand here that Ron Corson and his gang are not doing that same thing?  If doing those Pentecostal-like things in church was so necessary, don't you think the ones who pushed these things would be doing it instead of writing the articles you see here?  Many of our friends who listened to these people and then moved to lift their hands in the air and CELEBRATE always stay away from contention.  They refuse to write articles even to support their own positions.  They tell us they're out of any contention because they only want to praise Jesus.  What is the difference between those people who listened to the deceptions of Ron Corson and his gang, and Ron Corson and his gang themselves?  If they are so tolerant, and true Adventists are not, how is it that the Adventist Church has changed so much despite the opposition the majority true Adventists gave against the guinea-pigging of their church?  Can't you see they are not tolerant?

Ron Corson: even the concept of the Remnant is not indicative of its popular use in many churches. The Bible speaks nothing about Ellen White as the "Spirit of Prophecy" or a prophet.

Our Reply:  That's why the "many churches" rejected the special advanced truths given by God to John the Revelator AND VOLUNTARILY REMAINED VACANT when the sealed book of Daniel was unsealed.  Prophecy said that the mysteries in those books would be unsealed.  That's where we got our Revelation Seminars from.  Why not remark about why the other churches not only did not participate in the unsealing, but persecuted those who did?  Will these "different classes of Adventists" prove the ideas true Adventists learned are false by holding Revelation seminars of their own?  Will they continue to resist accepting the special advanced light Christ Himself gave to His church in the unsealing of the books of Daniel and the Revelation?

Where then did the bible say that even greater PROPHETS would come among God's true Adventist people and tell them about "worship styles" created by them?  If the bible didn't tell us that Ellen White was a prophet, WHERE DID IT TELL US THAT "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS" must come and rule the Adventist Church like it is clear they are doing?

Ron Corson: The Spirit of Prophecy in the Bible is used of the Holy Spirit. The Bible says nothing of a Sunday law. The Bible does not teach the Sabbath as the seal of God, again it is the Holy Spirit that is the seal of God.

Our Reply:  WILL RON CORSON ALLOW DISAGREEMENT?  We've done everything to show you time and time again that all these revisionist dissidents who want to guinea-pig the Adventist Church ARE NOT TOLERANT!  CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT??

He says the bible says nothing about a Sunday Law, AND THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE THE "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS" oppose the special study of the prophecies especially since they mark out and point to Rome as the Antichrist.  If he is so sure the Bible doesn't talk about the Sunday law, does he even teach the book of Revelation and the prophecies?  These infiltrators are ALWAYS DOING EVERYTHING TO SUPPRESS THE STUDY OF THE PROPHECIES.  Massive protest and dissatisfaction met with their continual suppressing of the special truths of God.  How then is he to know about the Sunday Law?  HE IS IN ESSENCE SAYING THAT THE WORDS "SUNDAY LAW" ARE NOT THERE.  He is saying that the words, "Investigative Judgment" are not there.  That is his proof.  He is saying that those words are not in the bible.  Do they have to be?  The word "Gospel" is nowhere in the Old Testament.  Does that mean the Gospel is not there in the Old Testament?

If Adventism misinterpreted, and there is no Investigative Judgment or any Sunday Law coming, WHY DOESN'T HE GIVE BETTER REVELATION SEMINARS AND SHOW US THEN WHAT THE PROPHETIC WRITINGS SAY?  They don't because they can't!  They don't because they are ECUMENICAL.  They look at the special prophecies and say, "It's the Revelation of Jesus Christ!  That's all it is!"  They hate what it says that threatens their global church.  They then say, "Let's just teach JESUS!"  Ecumenical people say, "Doctrine divides!  Christ unites!"  Who then was dumb enough to give us doctrine?  If these special messages were just about Jesus, WHY COULDN'T JESUS REALIZE THAT THE GOSPELS WERE ALREADY WRITTEN AND HE DIDN'T NEED TO CONDESCEND AND COMMUNICATE WITH JOHN THE REVELATOR ON THE ISLE OF PATMOS?

Folks, THEY ARE SAYING THAT THE LORD SHOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN ALL THE EXTRA SPECIAL MESSAGES!  They are blasphemous!  Can't you tell these are the servants of the Antichrist?  Can't you see that is who the last chapter of Revelation was especially talking about when it said:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. -- Revelation 22:19

Ron Corson: So the question should arise in most people's minds, just how do those doctrines become "pillars" of the Traditional/Historic SDA's?

Our Reply:  Should we teach Jesuits how the truths that were given to the Adventist Church were given?  Those were not just doctrines that were given to the Adventist Church: THEY WERE TRUTHS given to her.  Ron Corson already showed us what was BIBLICAL beyond our different "views" and "beliefs."  Is he now asking us how Adventist "doctrines" became pillars of our faith?

Ron Corson: The answer is found in the label Traditional/Historic, These were the doctrines incorporated into the SDA church therefore they must be true and accepted.

Our Reply:  Oh Ron Corson knows the answer above the disagreeing population of true believers!  ALL ADVENTIST BELIEFS WERE MERELY GIVEN TO HER.  He then says, THEREFORE THEY MUST BE TRUE!  We should therefore say to ourselves, "The Jesuits came among us and DEMANDED that we must both accept differing opinions, so then that must be true.  BUT THEN they now tell us that we must change our beliefs and church structure!  Then, all of a sudden, WE ARRIVE AT TRUTH THEN!

Ron Corson: The Progressive SDA's see those doctrines as history, but not as truth. They must be tested to ascertain if they are indeed true, if they should be used as doctrines in the SDA church at all.

Our Reply:  The "Progressive Adventists" DO NOT CARE WHAT WE OR ANYONE ELSE THINKS!  Should we care what they think?  I hope you see from this demonstration, that Ron Corson pretends to respect differing opinions BUT DOES NOT ACTUALLY RESPECT THEM.  They are not supposed to see Adventist Truths as HISTORY, BECAUSE ALL THEIR BELIEFS ARE MUCH OLDER THAN THE NEW AND ADVANCED TRUTHS OF PROPHECY GIVEN TO THE ADVENTIST CHURCH.

Ron Corson: Here is the conflict between the Progressive and Traditional/Historic SDA's. The Progressives desire to hold to a Biblical standard, whereby all doctrines we preach should be clearly demonstrated from the Bible.

Our Reply:  This, of Corson, is a lie!  That includes their doctrine of varying beliefs and opinions.  That was never demonstrated by the Bible.  Jesus NEVER allowed varying opinions with any controversy He encountered.  He warned everyone that they can decipher any perplexity using the scriptures.  He never said cultural differences can or should lead to doctrinal differences as the other CLASSES of Adventists have pushed. 

If they even want to debate with Pastor Doug Batchelor about all the railing accusations here against the Investigative Judgment, the Mark of the Beast, etc., then they can.  Why have they avoided this?

Ron Corson: This method retains a commonality with other Christians outside the SDA church, as well as showing our esteem of the Biblical source of truth.

Our Reply:  GOING TO THOSE CHURCHES and accepting their much older views is a better option for Jesuits pretending to be tolerant, but who stay here in the Remnant Church in order to change it beyond the approval OF EVEN THE MAJORITY OF MEMBERS AND CONSTITUENTS.

Ron Corson: We certainly understand that the Bible cannot be taken literally in all places, that poetry, symbolism, and apocalyptic literary forms are present in the Bible.

Our Reply:  What happens if others of God's people accept your doctrine of diversity and free opinions and takes the bible literally in all places?

Ron Corson: Nor does it mean that we must view the Bible as inerrant. God is inerrant, He alone is infallible the Bible while inspired does not contain all the attributes of God, errors are present, much of the Bible is man's attempts at representing God and as such man's suppositions can color his view of God. This is why Progressive's SDA's encourage looking at the Bible as a whole complete volume. Allowing the more comprehensive New Testament authors to help explain the Old Testament.

Our Reply:  GOOD!  EXPOUND FOR US ABOUT REVELATION 14, the Mark of the Beast, the Spirit of Prophecy.  All who challenge the Adventist truths of prophecy are typically found NOT EXPOUNDING ON THESE PROPHECIES AT ALL!  The scriptures tell us that DAMNATION IS THE REWARD OF ALL SUCH! 

If they are sure we interpret those prophecies and revelations incorrectly, WHY DON'T THEY PREACH THOSE PROPHECIES AT ALL, especially in light of the great neglect of the other churches to teach them?  Isn't Christ, who sent these messages, as intelligent as the "Progressive Adventists?"  Why did He give us these messages?

Ron Corson: Not that the Traditional/Historic SDA's have less authoritative view of the Bible. They do view it as authoritative often inerrant and maybe infallible. Here as in the rest of Christianity there is a difference of opinion about the Bible. Still some will acknowledge that the Bible has errors but they assert that the original manuscripts did not have the errors. Of course we do not have the originals so what does such and assumption prove? In any case the errors in the Bible are mostly inconsequential to any important doctrinal material. The Traditional/Historic SDA's also have a second source of truth which has from the beginning of the SDA church been used to support it's teachings.

Our Reply:  We prefer that "second source" of truth everyone must believe is a second source, RATHER THAN THE THIRD SOURCE telling us we must do away with her and go back to old Babylon ideas.  If she can start her own denomination, but the parasitic "Progressive Adventists" can't, but wish to remain and fight here to the denial of being among the better Christians outside there, then we rather listen to Ellen White.

Ron Corson: The works of Ellen G. White are often taken by the Traditional/Historic SDA's as equal authority with the Bible. Too often her works are used in place of the Bible, even though many Traditional/Historic SDA's would say that such should never be the case.

Our Reply:  Why not listen to them?  Do the "Progressive Adventists" expect we must listen to their lies?  This whole article is based on deception and intolerance.  Should we listen to what this article says?  Now the so-called "Traditional Adventists" say something, and because Ron Corson doesn't like it we must not believe what they say?

Ron Corson: Perhaps as troublesome as giving her works equality with the Bible is her use as an "inspired commentator" on the Bible. As Morris Vendon wrote in his book "The Pillars": "The gift of prophecy is not an authority over the Bible, but it is an authority on the Bible. Some people have trouble with the phrase, evidently coined by F.D. Nichol, 'inspired commentary.' But if you accept the inspiration of the gift of prophecy and realize the fact that it is also a commentary on the Bible, and then put the two together, you have an inspired commentary." (page 104). While this may sound innocuous enough it is not, such a system of thought gives Ellen White's interpretation over and above everything else.

Our Reply:  They have to attack her, because as they move to push their papal CHANGES and revisions against the Adventist Church, the true people and owners of the denomination then quote Ellen White, cause the "tolerant" infiltrators can't hear what the bible says.  The infiltrators then created, "WORSHIP STYLES."  THIS IS SOMETHING NONE OF EVEN ANY OF THE PROPHETS EVER ATTEMPTED TO DO!  Since they set themselves up ABOVE PROPHETS they always then keep Jesuit ranting about how true Adventists are ignorant for listening to Ellen White and not to their lies.

Ron Corson: In a very real sense it is placing her interpretation above that expressed in the context of the Bible itself.

Our Reply:  Ahm!  We might disagree with that lie.  Is there any room under the darling "Progressive Adventists" to disagree?

Ron Corson: If a person were to hold such a view then her incorrect use of a verse such as Acts 3:19: to assign the blotting out of sins to some distant time, has to be accepted, even though such an interpretation was based upon the King James translation.

Our Reply:  They can go into the prophecies to find out if our sins are blotted out at the cross or as is described in the rituals of the Ancient Jewish Sanctuary.  If our sins are blotted out already, what is Christ doing in heaven?  Why isn't He here now?

Ron Corson: Hardly any other translation would lead to such an interpretation nor would the original Greek.

Our Reply:  It's a good thing all the other Jesuit version translations of the bible can explain why Christ isn't here now and why we can still pray to our High Priest in heaven for forgiveness for sins already fully blotted out?

Ron Corson:  To call her an "inspired commentator" is to place her above the book she is commenting on. Fortunately as Vendon noted there are those in the SDA church who have trouble with such a phrase, Progressive SDA's.

Our Reply:  TO CALL HER NOT AN "INSPIRED COMMENTATOR" IS TO LET THE JESUIT INFILTRATORS THEN SUPPLANT THEMSELVES IN AND ABOVE HER PLACE changing our church all the way and destroying our mission WITH THE SPECIAL MESSAGES OF PROPHECY THE MOST HIGH GOD LEFT FOR US!  I think we need to fight with these "Progressive Adventists" that are so fond of Babylon THAT NO ONE CAN IMPRESS UPON THEM TO GO OVER THERE TO THEM AND HAVE LOVE, FELLOWSHIP AND WORSHIP!  We asked that Ron Corson show the age of his ideas for intolerant CHANGE and he refused to do this.

Ron Corson: Often the Traditional/Historic SDA's object to the difference in views of the works of Ellen White by stating that to reject the counsel of Ellen White is to reject God's counsel. This is based upon the traditional view of Ellen White as a prophet.

Our Reply:  It's a good thing the "TRADITIONAL VIEW" of Ellen White as a prophet IS TRUE!  Maybe Ron Corson's even OLDER TRADITIONAL VIEW THAT THERE IS NO SUNDAY LAW COMING, is just a traditional view?  This whole article is based on the what view?  You mean we can then rather listen to Ellen White than this article?

Ron Corson: If she were not a prophet then it would be accepted to reject her views, if they seemed to vary from the Bible. So here we are once again at the crux of the problem. The Progressive SDA's look at many of these doctrines and see them differently based upon their reasoning from the Scriptures. Since the Scriptures seem to point to a different interpretation it becomes necessary to re-evaluate the interpretation delivered or endorsed by Ellen White.

Our Reply:  HE IS SAYING THAT THE SCRIPTURES CAN BE INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY.  Admitted Jesuits on the internet constantly show us snippets of Ellen White's writings that appear to contradict other snippets of her writings too.  It seems like there is a disease with all true prophets:  the unlearned and the unstable can wrest them from their context and make them seem to contradict!

But still, since the Scriptures SEEM TO POINT TO A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION IN THE EYES OF THE "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS" we don't think that it SEEMS THE SAME for the true Adventists!  They are the majority!  Why should the whole church evaluate it's whole existence because one class of intolerant tolerants see things differently?  Why affect even all the other fabled "CLASSES" because one very treacherous one screams day and night?  Should we then instead re-evaluate the interpretations delivered or endorsed by the "Progressive Adventists?"  Shouldn't we compare them to the OLDER DOCTRINES AND VIEWS OF BABYLON?

But there is no such a thing as a "Progressive Adventist!"  They have OLD ideas, they suppress the study of prophecy and yet come out telling true Adventists that their interpretations are wrong.

Ron Corson: Is there an answer to such division? Either the Progressives can accept Ellen White as a "continuing and authoritative source of truth", as the Traditional/Historic SDA's do. Or the Traditional/Historic SDA's can accept the Scriptures as "the authoritative revealer of doctrines".

Our Reply:  THIS IS JESUIT DECEPTION!  This is not a Jesuit?  You mean the other CLASSES of Adventists were never equally valid: that the "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS" always believed the bible while the true Adventists only believed in Ellen White just cause the "Progressive Adventists" demand that all must freely disagree in the church?  He is throwing right down your throats the idea that the true Adventists don't believe the bible!  When you attended the Revelation Seminars of the true Adventists did you see just Ellen White there?  Why then were those seminars so successful and brought so many non-Adventists into the Church?  SHOULD YOU ACCEPT THIS FROM PEOPLE THE SCRIPTURES THEMSELVES SAY ARE LOST?  WHO REFUSE TO EXPOUND UPON THE SPECIAL LAST DAY PROPHECIES AND WORK TO PREVENT OTHERS FROM DOING THIS?  SOMEONE MUST "CHANGE?"  Maybe it should be the ones who keep using that word all the time, don't you think?  Maybe it should be the Johnny-come-latelies?  Hmmm?

Ron Corson: Since both sides are in agreement about the Bible as the ultimate source of truth about God, this would seem an obvious solution. The hard part of course is that it requires the Traditional/Historic SDA's to allow for differences of interpretation.

Our Reply:  NOTICE, just above he said the true Adventists believe Ellen White is the authoritative source of truth?  Look now here as he says, "both sides are in agreement about the Bible as the ultimate source of truth about God."  How did such a wonderful person like Ron Corson RE-EVALUATE his statement just one after another like that?  Is that what makes him know God's Church must RE-EVALUATE their truths given to them by God?  Why then have the fabled "Progressive Adventists" rejected the special last day prophecies the Lord left us, and why would they, if they could, DESTROY THE BOOKS OF DANIEL AND THE REVELATION?  HERE WE GO!  The most despotic intolerant "CLASS OF ADVENTISTS" who have caused much trouble now, with all the evidence, telling us that the "Traditional Adventists" must become what they are not:  TOLERANT!  Must allow for what they do not:  DIFFERENCES OF INTERPRETATION.

If the "Progressive Adventists" are as secretly intolerant as they naturally are, and the true Adventists are TOLERANT, what will happen to the church AS THE "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS" RELENTLESSLY DEMAND THAT SHE MUST CHANGE TO THEIR FANTASIES?  Can you guess?

Ron Corson: No longer can they use Ellen White as an unquestioned authority or inspired commentator.

Our Reply:  I think the true Adventists disagree.  If it is true they can no longer use Ellen White, but must use the "Progressive Adventists" instead, then they would have done so and the "Progressive Adventists" could have gone back home with their other churches.  What then can they use?  Has this Jesuit just woken out of bed?  It is clear THAT IF WE DON'T USE ELLEN WHITE, WE ALSO CAN'T USE THE BIBLE!  We are stuck with the intolerant dogmatism and unannounced changes of the "Progressive Adventists."

Ron Corson: Can they be satisfied to view her work as commentary, like other commentators?

Our Reply:  Can they continue to be satisfied to view the work of the fabled, "Progressive Adventists" as commentators FROM AFAR WHO WORSHIP IN THE OTHER CHURCHES?  Can the fabled, "Progressive Adventists" be satisfied to live and worship among the other superior churches that have so much newer and "progressive" teachings?

Ron Corson: It is possible that they could be satisfied with such a view, it is well known by now that much of her work was borrowed from other commentators.

Our Reply:  But so were many of the bible writers!  We have proved this already.  Why listen to the writers of the Gospels?  Much of the ideas expressed by Ron Corson here were his original ideas?  The ecumenism that he supports was created by him?  If that were true, HE SURE SEEMS TO BE RULING THE WORLD!

Ron Corson: If the Traditional/Historic SDA's cannot accept such a view the other option is for the Progressives to accept Ellen White. We have seen over the years many leave the SDA church over the authority of Ellen White, the Investigative Judgment etc.

Our Reply:  WHAT A GREAT IDEA!  You think the "Progressives" can really be intelligent and catch on and just leave because they don't like fighting and don't like IMPOSING THEIR FANTASIES ON EVERYONE ELSE?  There are so many more "Progressively" reasonable people in the other churches, don't you think?

Ron Corson: Will history repeat itself? Ellen White should not be used as a test for fellowship in the SDA church.

Our Reply:  "In my opinion?"  "In my 'honest' Progressive Adventist opinion?"  Why were these words to remind all that the statement is just the opinion of the backward "Progressive Adventist" missing?  Why are they generally always missing? 

Why then should "worship styles," contemporary Christian music, drama skits and "celebration" and other fabrications be used as a test for fellowship in the SDA Church?

Ron Corson: Neither should the rejection of Ellen White be seen as a rejection of God.

Our Reply:  Neither should a rejection of the fabled CLASSES of Adventists and the "Progressive" Adventists struggling to set us backward to ancient times be viewed as a rejection of God.

Ron Corson: Many times we have heard SDA's say that Ellen White did not claim to be a prophet. Maybe we should not be making her out as a prophet and go back to the Bible that, we all can agree upon is our source of divine instruction. Progress often requires a re-examination of beliefs, some stay, some go.

Our Reply:  Maybe we should choose between her, or the "Progressive Adventists."  It is clear they have not listened to the bible to stop their infiltration of the body.  They have not listened to the bible to hear and preach the prophecies of last day events.  Ellen White's writings are more direct, so they attack it.

CHOOSE WHAT YOU WILL DO!  Accept the teachings of Ellen White, OR HAVE YOUR CHURCH DESTROYED BY VERY "TOLERANT" BACKWARDLY "PROGRESSIVE" JESUITS!
 

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