MORE OF THE "PROGRESSIVE" SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS!

THE FAIRY TALES ABOUT THE LEGITIMATE EXISTENCE OF THE "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS!"

Ron Corson methodically deletes my posts on his blog! This is expected from that race of dissidents who claim we must be TOLERANT of ideas not our own so that we can let their INTOLERANT ideas dominate the Adventist Church! Here are the posts he had deleted.

We were castigated for saying these words in Adventism. We were then called:

True Adventists believe in the Investigative Judgment, in the validity of the Sabbath, in the authority and inspiration of Ellen White and that Sunday worshipping will become the Mark of the Beast, among other truths. "Progressive Adventists," leaving a trailing claim to respect diverse ideas and views in Adventism, then step up and broadbasedly attack these truths without any hint that others should have a right to disagree with them, claiming those "positions" are not biblical. Honest guests already witnessed the true Adventists prove that their beliefs are true AT THE REVELATION SEMINARS THE TRUE ADVENTISTS HELD.

Since the "Progressive Adventists" then attacked the special truths, THE HONEST GUESTS THEN WENT TO ASK THESE "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS" WHEN THEY ARE HOLDING THEIR REVELATION SEMINARS that would show the correct way to interpret the special revelations of the Lord, but they were disappointed. The services alone practiced by these "Progressive Adventists" show that THEY DON'T HOLD REVELATION SEMINARS. THEY HAVE COME IN ORDER TO SHUT DOWN THESE SPECIAL TRUTHS GIVEN BY GOD TO HIS PEOPLE. They're not here to show the true Adventists how to more accurately interpret the special revelations of inspiration graciously given by God. They are here TO SHUT THEM DOWN AND DESTROY ALL INTEREST IN THEM!

They are telling us these things are not needed because they "divide the Christian community at large" which is their ONE WORLD CHURCH. They are even showing that they wished the Lord Himself never gave these messages. That means that they are LOST! (People actually didn't ask the "Progressive Adventists" when their Revelation seminars are being held because they're not too bright. They were not witty enough to ask them about this. Just this fact alone breaks open the true state of the so-called "Progressive Adventists").

The actual purpose of the "Progressive Adventists" is to suppress the special truths given to the Adventist Church. They are enemies to the special God-given truths of Adventism. In order to destroy these, they re-label themselves as a branch of Adventism. They then relentlessly plaster the faith with old ideas every Adventist had before becoming Adventists, which is the total sum of their ideas.

They reject the Investigative Judgment truth, they deny that the Sabbath is the Seal of God and deny that Sunday worship is false worship which will ultimately be the Mark of the Beast. They demand that the Adventist Church be inclusive of all Christians of other faiths, giving validity to the construction of a UNIVERSAL one-world church. CATHOLIC means universal. All of these positions are commonly believed by the Christian Churches that rejected the special advanced truths given to God's people that opened up the sealed books of Daniel and the Revelation. The "Progressive Adventist" then has to constantly label his much older ideas as "PROGRESSIVE" or "advanced" or "new."

Since they oppose the mission of Adventism, naturally the Spirit of Prophecy, through the instrumentation of Ellen G. White would oppose their efforts. There were already warnings and instructions Ellen White gave about what to do when people will ultimately poke around the church claiming to love the Lord, but who cannot live unless the whole structure changes to their liking. They want to SUPPRESS the truths given to the Adventist Church. They therefore cannot keep their beliefs to themselves, but have to keep ranting and babbling and "dreaming about THEIR CHURCH" to make the actual services CHANGE and thus effect the other Adventists who disagree with them so that all talk and speech about the special truths given to Adventism can be stopped. THEY WANT THEIR POSITIONS TO DOMINATE.

They talk very much about how important it is to include all the other Christian Churches in fellowship and how wonderful they are. They however, REFUSE TO GO WHERE THOSE CHRISTIANS ARE. In those churches there is no talk about the special truths Adventists talk about that the "Progressive Adventists" hate so much. Those environments are much better for these "Progressives." But although they keep talking about how important are the other churches, they stick around in the Adventist Church to constantly mislabel their agenda, telling the unsuspecting that they are tolerant and are fighting for freedom of belief and interpretation in the Adventist Church when the truth is the opposite. If they have such backward beliefs as the other churches, and constantly elevate the importance of the other churches, it is supposed to be clear that their insistence on remaining in the Adventist Church proves both that they want to fight and that they know how to fight. THEY ARE NOT TOLERANT.

They therefore babble and rant persistently how THE WHOLE ADVENTIST CHURCH shouldn't rely "so heavily" upon the writings of Ellen G. White. They always move to CHANGE the church. They are a dissident movement. Most can't realize this because, for some strange reason, they happen to control the thinking of most of Adventism's elite men and leaders. But when they persistently place their eyes on the church to change it, other Adventists, remembering the priceless instruction given through inspiration would warn them against their efforts and quote scripture. The "Progressives" will then inform those Adventists that they have a different interpretation of scripture. Loyal Adventists would then quote the writings of Ellen White which are more clear in the vernacular of our time, and then from that time the "Progressive Adventists" would refuse to CELEBRATE and jump and dance and sing in church with their victims they fooled into doing so in church services, and would then start writing and having meetings in order to condemn Ellen G. White and to change the church.

They would state that we should not "rely so heavily" on the writings of Ellen White," but for the Adventist Church to even accept the concept of "worship styles" found nowhere in the bible, is to prove it has already relied too heavily on the ideas of the "Progressive Adventists" even over divine inspiration itself. The rest of the church cannot imagine for a second that their goal is actually to make sure no part of the church relies on Ellen White AT ALL. Neither do they comprehend the kinds of people who form this group who realize that Ellen White, as a guiding authoritative force, actually stands between the "Progressive Adventists" taking over the whole church completely as a despotic guiding force that will not tolerate disagreement. Their persistent ranting that Ellen White should not be so much as important as the bible writers or as Christ, hides the fact that the "Progressive Adventists" want to rule the church as Christ, and even above Christ. What is "worship styles" or "different forms of worship?" When asked where this concept can be found in the bible, they have just continued to babble as if they were never given the question.

These "Progressive Adventists" will easily forget their long taught principles of tolerance of differing opinions and will boldly say that the Investigative Judgment "doctrine" is not biblical. They will make such statements cold and dry without a thought that people can differ with the declaration. They make sure they refer to all Adventist positions as "their doctrine," "their belief system," "their distinctive doctrines," "their positions," etc. They refuse to call the special gifts of knowledge given to the Adventist Church as their "TRUTHS." Their constant referencing to Adventist truths as what we just described has a great effect even subconsciously on the minds of Adventist people and others.

But they give themselves away often. To state that the Investigative Judgment truth is not biblical IS SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR AGENDA TO GET INTO THE PROPHECIES AND EXPLAIN HOW IT IS AN ERROR. True Adventists were blessed with special revelations about the last days. The books of Daniel and the Revelation were especially opened to those who watched for the Second Coming of Jesus. The "Progressive Adventists" always boldly criticize the truths graciously given to Adventists, BUT THEY THEMSELVES WILL NOT EXPOUND UPON THE PROPHECIES OF THE LAST DAYS. Their services always suppress these truths. If the Adventist "interpretation" is wrong, then they are supposed to be required to SHOW THE BETTER INTERPRETATION. DO BETTER REVELATION SEMINARS than the true Adventists. The "Progressive Adventists" always deliberately fail to do this. Their purpose is to DISCOURAGE ANY ATTENTION OR STUDY OF THE PROPHECIES. We have already shown a key and powerful message from heaven telling us that DAMNATION IS THE REWARD OF ALL SUCH! They may even criticize the Revelation Seminars given by Pastor Doug Batchelor, but they have never challenged him on his seminars NOR SHOWN A REPLACEMENT FOR IT!

It was Christ who gave the special truths for the last days that were accepted by Adventists. He should know whether or not the Gospels were enough revelation given to man, and whether or not He should have added the book of Revelation. But the "Progressive Adventists" cover over their agenda by constantly talking about how we should all elevate Christ "INSTEAD." They then proceed to suppress all study of the prophecies and special messages as their meetings and worship sessions consistently show. IT IS TELLING THAT WE DON'T HAVE REVELATION SEMINARS GIVEN BY THE "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS."

Their language usually gives them away, but most people cannot recognize this. They will say that the idea of the Mark of the Beast being precipitated by a national Sunday law, is not biblical. They will make flat-out definite statements such as this, and most people cannot see from this that they actually never respected differing views or opinions. They long had emphasized that everyone who enters discussion must rather make sure they state that their ideas are merely their own opinions. They then willingly forget to bind themselves to this commitment.

[PROGRESSIVE ADVENTIST PROPERLY DEFINED: A band of Jesuits determined that the Seventh-day Adventist Church MUST change and become cooperatively ecumenical so that it can join with the rest of the churches to form one big global church. The people pushing it are very patient to confuse their agenda even to conjuring up plans that appear anti-ecumenical, but the object is to lead the church ultimately to that route.

As with most all movements of treason, THE PERSISTENCE WITH WHICH THEY PUSH THEIR MOVEMENTS WHILE BARKING HOW ALL WHO DO NOT ACCEPT THEM ARE INTOLERANT IS DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL TO HOW WRONG THEIR MOVEMENTS ARE.

It is anti-Adventism determined to mingle with their target of attack in order to more effectively destroy it. There is actually no such a thing as a "Progressive Adventist." You can prove this based upon the age of their ideas in history compared to the development of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

Adventists were Christians who came from every other denomination and were impressed by greater light to join the Adventist Church. The "Progressive Adventists" are pushing those same old beliefs present Adventists used to hold when they were members of other denominations. They are basically and persistently telling Adventists that they MUST surrender their beliefs and GO BACK to what they used to believe so that they can join up again with the "rest of the gang." They throw people off by labeling themselves, "Progressive Adventists." This was the same agenda with the Worldwide Church of God. Those members came from many different denominations also and joined the Worldwide Church of God because they heard and were impressed by greater light. The Tkaches took over that religious body and began to tell them that they believed obvious false doctrines, and then began to push beliefs their members had believed before they joined the Worldwide Church of God. These were also telling that body that they had to surrender their beliefs and to GO BACK to where they were in order to join the "rest of the gang."

IT IS IRONIC THAT THE MOST POWERFUL LEADERS OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH FALL UNDER THIS BAND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE! AS WE THEREFORE PROGRESS WITH THIS ARTICLE, WE SEE ONE OF THEM ["Progressive Adventists"] BEGGING FOR POWER AND INFLUENCE AND CLAIMING THEY HAVE TO STRUGGLE TO MAINTAIN THEIR PLACE IN THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH. THOUGH THEY ARE BY FAR THE MINORITY, THE ADVENTIST CHURCH IS SECRETLY DOMINATED BY THEIR ELITE MINORITY GROUP.

A MAJOR TUMULT WAS CAUSED BY THEM. WHAT WE ARE DESCRIBING HERE ARE REMNANTS FROM THAT SAME GROUP THAT CAUSED ALL THE TROUBLE AND WHO, EVEN IN THE HIGHEST POSITIONS, HAVE NOT BACKED DOWN AT ALL!

They have the tremendous patience and persistence of fascists. They never give up their agenda even if they are expelled. They will bark till the end how everyone must be tolerant. As was shown by the tumult caused during the forceful pushing of the Celebration Worship Style in the Adventist Church, WHEN THEY GET THE UPPER-HAND, THEY WILL NOT THINK TWICE TO EXPEL THOSE WHO EVEN SPEAK AGAINST THEIR IDEAS OR MOVEMENTS.]

He writes: Why I am a Progressive Seventh-day Adventist; Am I a Dreamer or just a Fool.

Several years ago I wrote an article for Adventist Today on the differences between Traditional Seventh-day Adventists (TSDA’s) and Progressive Seventh-day Adventists (PSDA’s). The question that is still often asked of me is why, if I don’t agree with the TSDA’s views, I am still an SDA. [He, by the ideas he holds and by his intolerance and insistence that everyone must accept his ideas, never was a Seventh-day Adventist and never will be!] That question is not restricted to being asked by the TSDA’s; it is asked by former Adventists and even other PSDA’s. To most it appears that the default position of Adventism is the TSDA viewpoint. Frankly I ask myself the question far too often.

When you look at the things the TSDA’s believe it is easy to see that there are significant areas of disagreement. My description of a PSDA was:

--A differing view of what the Investigative Judgment is or acknowledgment that the Investigative Judgment is not Biblical. (And as such a differing view of Christ Activities from His ascension to His Second Coming.)

--An inclusion of other Christians into the category termed the "Remnant".

--A less rigid understanding of the role of Ellen G. White, ranging from acknowledging that she was not always correct in her teaching and understanding to the denial of Prophet status.

--The Seventh day Sabbath is for our benefit, true Christians can and do worship on Sunday and it is not now, or latter, to become the Mark of the Beast, or the Seventh day Sabbath to be the Seal of God.

Those things are but a small part of my differences with TSDA’s but then many of my concerns would be differences with many other Christian denominations.

[His ideas are not NEW or, in other words, NOT PROGRESSIVE! And, by beliefs alone, this person IS NOT A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST!]

I would have a problem with the literalism of the Genesis stories of Creation and the Flood, huge problems with the ideas of inerrancy and infallibility of the Bible and major disagreements with the Penal/Substitution theory of Atonement.

[But millions of other and by far the majority of Adventists WOULDN'T! Should loyal Adventist care what the "Progressive Adventists" think when these "Progressive Adventists always show they don't care what anyone else thinks, even starting tumult in the Adventist Church because they can't keep their "dreams" to themselves, nor go away and join others with their same "dreams?"]

Right there I have disagreed with two points of the five points that made up Fundamentalism at the beginning of the 1900’s. Between 1910 and 1915 The Fundamentals were published as a twelve tract publication, there appears to be some wording differences [TO YOU, IN YOUR OPINION? Words they used often against us to divide us and prevent us from stopping their treasonous movements against the faith from the inside.] between sources but the fundamentals amount to these: 1. Literal inerrancy of the autographs (the original manuscripts of each scriptural book). 2. Christ's virgin birth, the deity of Christ. 3. Substitutionary Atonement (Also known as: Vicarious Atonement, Penal Atonement). 4. The bodily resurrection of Christ. 5.The bodily return of Christ and alternatively in some lists the authenticity of Christ's miracles. With such a powerful document refuting modernism and higher criticism it is little wonder that the Adventist church plunged into fundamentalism from the early part of the twentieth century. [It is a more wonder that it now has SAVIOURS who then collectively made a first stealthy attack against the Adventist Church and then went full force ultimately to the defrocking of thousands of loyal Adventists who had different dreams. Isn't it great news that people can then PLUNGE away from it and start their own corrections in their own churches?]

Yet Adventism today does not teach the inerrancy of Scripture or the idea of verbal inspiration.

[Did we miss the debate somewhere here? How come we Adventist here teach that? And if the Adventist Church doesn't, just what are "dreamers" going to do about it? Did they not already show us TO THIS DAY?? Most of the leaders and ministers of the SDA Church favor the revolution. When they see too much opposition, they lie low and lie with their lips but their determination that the structure must accept their revolution is completely unchanged.]

Even though if you look at the beliefs of many Churches in your community you will often find this idea included in the churches belief statements. The Adventist church also rejects the idea of eternal torment of the wicked in Hell. You can see that just with these two issues Adventism has some real advantages.

Unlike many denominations the Adventist church has had to deal with the idea of inspiration in ways that most Christians don’t have to consider. Adventists grew up with the idea of Ellen White as a prophet.

[Here it comes! The terrible disease of the "Progressive Adventists!" When anything comes that challenges their Jesuit revolutions that everyone MUST have, they attack it and leave the tolerance and the debating behind. That is why THEY ALWAYS must make reference to the terrible "weaknesses" of Ellen White and then grump because we must find it necessary to point out their weaknesses they are very proud of! First is a put down of Ellen White or anyone else who stands in their way, then they even create "worship styles" and concepts none of even God's prophets ever dared to do! Before they move to commit treason in the church, shouldn't they look in their mirrors and first tell themselves how perfect they are?]

What does it mean to have a nineteenth century prophet, how does inspiration work?

[What does it mean to have a first century prophet writing Galatians? What does it mean to have 21st century false prophets who even concoct "WORSHIP STYLES" and force it secretly upon everyone?]

Ellen White is someone who borrowed a good deal of information and said it was from God.

[The bible writers did also. Ron Corson already listed many of his ideas above and showed he did not create them, but that they were from God. His ideas are not "borrowed?"]

Someone who thought the coming of Christ was mere months away, who at one time believed the door of salvation was shut.

[That issue proven and solved here.]

She predicted that some people present at an 1856 conference would be translated, some would go through the seven last plagues and some would just die.

[Jesus also did something similar, proven here on the home page of the Seventh-dayAdventism.com website close to the bottom of the home page.]

The myth of the all powerful and all knowing prophet was dashed along with the idea of verbal inspiration.

[Then I guess the "Progressive Adventists" can then go home. As far as I'm concerned, no such "myth" was proved to be a myth or dashed. When then will we learn about the myth of PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS actually being Adventists and that we must listen to them? When will they learn that there are other Christians who have DREAMS about the churches they built and sustained for years, and that "newcomers" with "dreams" commonly believed by other churches the Adventist Church rejected in its progression are not to be forced upon them while being told they are to be tolerant and accept the newcoming "dreams?" Is the "myth" about Ellen White to be replaced by the all powerful and all knowing "tolerant" Jesuits under the mask of PROGRESSION?]

Now whether she was or was not a prophet is still debated

[Even though you and all other PROGRESSIVE ADVENTISTS claim to show us there is no and never was any debate about anything you believe that everyone else must have?]

but what it did to Adventism was to open our minds to ways that God could work rather than merely holding to the fundamentalist tradition.

[The ideas this man and his clan holds are traditions. Not only are those "traditions" not loosely held, but the difference between him and genuine Seventh-day Adventists and worshippers is that he and his clan will not rest until they even force all others to believe as he does. We are trying to even give you a clue what will happen if he runs a good string of "luck" and acquires Weapons of Mass Destruction! We are not merely inspiring your imagination here. YOU NEED TO WAKE UP! We are not talking about ordinary people here.

How does that relate to leaving the Adventist Church, starting your own and then impressing everybody else with your TRUTH? Would you consider doing that if we picked up rocks and "struck you in the BRAIN" like Ellen White to create your own even major denomination like she did? (The Jesuits have elaborate websites everywhere far outnumbering those that tell the truth. Many of these websites state that Ellen White was able to do all she did, even in the construction of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination by being "struck in the brain" with a rock! The very words were used because these people show not only a terrible revulsion to insults, but also a terrible talent at providing them.)]

As a Progressive SDA I am the byproduct of all that information and experience, the questions raised and the methods employed to arrive at answers.

[And their ideas were proved wrong over and over again. When they are proved wrong on forums on the internet they swarm upon the people who prove they are wrong and then persist in evasions and insults. When they own forums and are proved wrong, they delete the posts that prove they are wrong and ban the people who submitted the posts. They never flip-flop. What then was Ellen White a byproduct of, "who created her own church," by, according to you guys, being struck in the BRAIN with a rock? If you guys were struck in the "Brain" with a rock, would you be able to do that, then go to your church AND STAY THERE?]

What I have found is that the answers don’t always work and there is a whole range of opinions on a whole range of subjects.

[Including the idea about making your "DREAMS" take over the Adventist Church? Does that include the dream of you starting your own church, including you understanding that people don't want your ideas that has eluded you for years? Hiding the fact that guys like you who brought the confusion already have all the answers?]

My Adventist heritage taught me I don’t have to accept what someone says Christianity is.

[Why then can't you understand that the majority of Adventists taught them they don't have to accept your "DREAMS" and you can then start your own church, or go to other churches that commonly accept your beliefs and stop teaching people how to be tolerant? But the list of your beliefs from your "Adventist heritage" above is the exact same beliefs the most rabid enemies of Adventism always had!]

I can examine and study and come to my own conclusions. In fact that heritage makes it incumbent on me to try and search harder for what works and what the truth really is.

[And then apply it to yourselves. We told you! Leave the Adventist Church, start your own, rock the world, and make Adventists JEALOUS! Don't you think they would want to come to your church then? Don't you think they would want to change theirs then? You're not interested in tolerance! You never were. You will never consider creating your own churches. You can't afford to have worshippers who disagree with your ideas.]

The Adventist church even has remained active in the exchange of ideas in Sabbath School classes when many Churches have abandoned the practice in favor of passive acceptance of the words of their pastor’s sermons. As a PSDA I value the Sabbath School time more than any other aspect of corporate worship service. Because done well the class is an opportunity to grow and reason together [push his "dreams"] in a world that has become more separate and isolated and in many things even resistant to the effort of reasoning.

[You mean they more figure out how to agree with you guys?]

However as a Progressive SDA I am on a tightrope that is rapidly vibrating as the Traditional Adventists shake the rope with claims that are to my mind truly destructive.

[You mean since these "Traditional Adventists" both built and dominated the church before you came and then trouble, trauma, and tribal warfare arrived just as you came LIKE A WAVE? (they attacked the church SUDDENLY with a wave of revolution started UNANNOUNCED that caused more trouble in the history of Adventism than in its entire history! THE CHANGES WERE FORCED UPON THE CHURCH BY THE LEADERSHIP and MINISTERS giving a strange catering service to these minority demands. They planned and implemented their revolutions IN SECRET. Anyone who knows what has been going on know that, like in civil affairs in America, the Seventh-day Adventist Church is dominated by an elite minority. They hold the minority views and plan in secret constantly to this day to destroy the beliefs of the body and turn it back again to ecumenism in the forming of a global church.) The "Traditional Adventists" (biblically the only ones) built the church. They sustained it. IT'S THEIR CHURCH! Who caused the problems? Trying to teach treason to leave and practice their beliefs on their own creations is just like trying to teach a fascist how desirable Constitutional liberty is.]

Such things as Last Generation Perfection with it suggestion that Jesus laid aside His divinity to live as a man with the same tendencies to sin as we have so that He showed us what we must do in the last generation: live a perfect life without sin. That touches on so many issues [NOT YOUR JESUIT BUSINESS! Are you keeping your eyes on Christ? Other people will accept the truth about this. Does that fact bother you?]

Legalism, the nature of Jesus Christ, the reason for God incarnate, the nature of God, the idea of the trinity – which many traditional SDA’s try to redefine closer to tri-theism with the One meaning the three are united in purpose rather then in substance.

[If others want to be perfect, (to the extent the Jewish High Priests acquired that made them stand in the direct presence of God at least one full day in a year on the Day of Atonement) then leave them alone! Just show that is just as impossible as you understanding the simple suggestions I am giving to you here! You're a Christian? Leave the Adventist Church you can't agree with. Start your own. MAKE US JEALOUS! Show more how you're not perfect by letting these clear words go right into one treasonous ear and come out the other!]

So the balance on the tightrope is constantly being challenged. Does Adventism offer enough reasons to stay? Are there other churches, which even though they have what I consider incorrect and illogical doctrines, that have less repugnant doctrines then what Traditional Adventism puts forth?

[You don't have to go to another one: YOU CAN START YOUR OWN! The power of Christ cannot make you do that? Ellen White was able to! Is there virtue in being struck in the BRAIN with a rock? Why not then do it to yourselves?]

The Adventist church leadership allows the semi-Arian view of Jesus Christ, the doctrine of Last Generation Perfection and other ideas because they don’t want to rock the theological boat in which many members reside. [This was disproved by the great rocking of the boat that stormed the Adventist Church by the leadership especially in the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s through their SUDDEN and FORCEFUL demands for revolution. There was tremendous opposition even to the creation of independent ministries and many excommunications against dissenters with a major exodus, and that is what made them in the denomination quiet down and now appear to be docile. To this day they quietly maintain everything they pushed and are still holding on to the heresies and revolutions they pushed.] That tolerance could be said to exist for the Progressive Adventists also to some degree. diversity has advantages as well as disadvantages.

[Can people differ with that conclusion? After all, the history of the Adventist Church shows that many of the people believe this THROUGH BEING TAUGHT THIS BY THE LEADERS. The opposition that was created especially by lay people was taught and instilled into them by loyal leadership and pastors of yesteryear. God help us if you "Progressive Adventists" gain full control. It will surely be like starting wars for GLOBAL DEMOCRACY by the most unpopular world leaders ever!]

The hope of Progressive Adventists is to take what we have learned and create a better church, first at the local level and working up.

[You're supposed to mean create YOUR OWN better church! The goal of you fictitious "Progressive Adventists" is internal treason for Rome].

The problem is that we have no organization, no established presence in our local churches.

[AND DON'T INTEND TO! You're a virus that infects and infiltrates healthy cells of God's people to cause trouble and to not rest till your papal dreams dominate!]

Many of our local churches have Progressive Adventist led Sabbath School classes but they are not advertised as such. Progressive Adventist dominated churches are few and far between and again not advertised as such. Within the last year I have seen an Adventist minister leave the SDA church because he could no longer accept the Investigative Judgment doctrine.

[That pastor is far more virtuous than most such! Most others would remain in to cause trouble, destroy the Investigative Judgment truth and call all those who would protect it, "intolerant."]

Progressive Adventists have for a long time rejected the Investigative Judgment doctrine.

[Like every other enemy of Adventism. You mean "FOR THE FIRST TIME" progressive Adventists have agreed with the enemies of Adventism? "Progressive Adventists" were never enemies of Adventism before?]

but because we live under the radar, we hide from identification in our local churches.

[You wouldn't have to live under any radar if you started your own church (other than the one you already belong to: ROME). They already caused the worst tumult with the unannounced, blasphemous and inquisition-style push of the CELEBRATION WORSHIP STYLE on the Adventist Church. Since they are still here "under the radar," you can understand that they have not changed their plans. They too never waffle, never flip-flop and never back down.

Just as we said, you don't start churches of your own: you infiltrate precisely because you decree most every other Christian MUST believe what you believe. If they don't succumb to your ideas, they will be empowered to resist even the horrible holocaust and carnage about to befall at least America in these last days].

Progressive Adventists in leadership positions have had to leave the denomination rather than live as practicing Progressive Adventists.

[Because they never were and never really will be Adventists. They are intolerant. They want to rule and control. They can never keep their "DREAMS" to themselves. They refuse to build their own churches or to go worship among those who believe their fantasies.]

Frequently I receive requests from people asking if there are any Progressive Adventists in their area, I rarely have a satisfactory answer to give them.

[THERE ACTUALLY NEVER WAS AND STILL IS NOT A SINGLE "PROGRESSIVE ADVENTIST." All their ideas are ancient and were possessed by the worst enemies Adventism ever had since its beginning. They are struggling to merge the enemies of Adventism around the flock and dominate them, changing their church into an ecumenical component of a one world church to be.]

If we don’t do something soon we will be hanging by our fingertips on the tightrope and in that uncomfortable position we will not remain Adventist long.

[In other words, GREAT GOOD WOULD OCCUR. It will then be shown if your religion has some backbone to stand on its own, or whether or not it indeed is a virus and you are JESUITS!]

We either must make our stand away from the tightrope or jump off. I suggest we make the stand at the local church level by starting Progressive Sabbath School classes with an internet publication of an index of Progressive Adventists classes.

[We suggest that you go home, go away and stop lusting after the power, position, property and control of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. If there is to be one spot in the world that doesn't think like the dominating ecumenical people all over the world, we suggest that you attend a holiness church and sing, dance and jump and praise Christ. Something is bound to convert you from despots.]

A simple beginning, a simple way to network, but if we can’t accomplish even the simplest objectives then it is past time to jump. The objection may be that by saying we are Progressive Adventists we will alienate some church members; we won’t be able to gently sway them into more progressive ideas.

[Why is that your objective when you even made presence into the Adventist Church telling them no one should demand that others think the way they do?]

Yet with no organization and no real Progressive Adventist structure to gently sway them to, we gently push them out on the tightrope that we can barely stand.

[If we tell the truth, we will warn Adventists that "Progressive Adventists" never were Adventists at all, but are Jesuits!]

Ron Corson: Why I am a "Progressive" Seventh-day Adventist