JESUIT DIALOGUES WITH STEPHEN KORSMAN!! II
(Dialogue with
Stephen Korsman continued). . .
Updated 10/15/00: The word "Huguenots" was
replaced with "Waldenses"
My (Ted's) comment to Mr. Korsman:
In every case we want better reasons for why Ellen White is a false prophet and is sick in the head other than the fact that those proclaiming this are Catholics posing as other Christians. From one to another they all are ecumenical, covertly despotic while proclaiming the necessity for free beliefs, hate the principles of free America, etc.
From your last email, you have proved that somebody somewhere is a real idiot, for as you stated that if we knew the right thing the Catholic Church would smell good and the Protestants would not, the Pope has apologized for certain things that happened. Why, I even read of the time during World War II when the Serbs were told that to save their lives they had to convert to Catholicism. Many of them didn't and wound up being pushed off of mountains, having their heads chopped off with axes, having their legs broken, their skin torn off, their eyes gourged out and other things. Pictures are even available.
Nevermind! I cannot remember when it was ever practical to argue with the invisible army of Rome. However, somebody is nuts, for over and over again, just before another assault comes the plea, "We've Changed!" "We're like you now!" "Healing! Let's have Healing!" And then comes the Catholic author Penny Lernoux who even told us that the Pope is planning to change everything back to the way it was before the Protestant Reformation.
Just want you to know that our dialogue is soon to be featured on our website.
We therefore really want the facts, and not the Catholicism.
Ted
-----Original
Message-----
From: Stephen Korsman [mailto:skorsman@global.co.za]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 1995 11:05 PM
To: Ted McMillan
Cc: Self-1
Subject: Re: Your "Christ-like" Website!
Hi !
You didn't have to tell me that you were Catholic. I could have guessed that that is far more the reason why you are on your "Christlike" mission. Yes, according to you, Christ did the same things as you to the Pharisees.
Your point ?
You claim that the Catholic church wasn't perfect and then call Ellen White "mentally ill" and demonic. The Papacy was the single worse cultic machine that ever lived. She has made more horrible errors than any other. Even today I cannot for the life of me point to one descendant of the Waldenses. That is because they are extinct. They were entirely genocided and killed by the papacy.
Only bigots believe that. Honest historians will tell you otherwise. Please study the facts and not what the Adventist cult tells you - I have proven them to be liars time and time again on my website. Provide evidence and I will listen to you.
[Stephen Korsman could have proved this untrue by merely pointing to a single descendant of the Waldenses. Even "mentally ill" Ellen White would have known that. Instead, he did the same thing Rome did even when Martin Luther and others presented their written arguments and evidence calling for human liberty. He declared them to be trash and condemned them without a thought. Are we really dealing with a different Rome? Or are we going to listen to prophecy for a change. Can Stephen Korsman point to a single descendant of the Waldenses? Can the movement of his lips actually overcome even the visible reality? That is the battle ahead for us against the Antichrist. Who will listen to the word of God or even evidence, against the rants of the unscrupulous, power-hungry, infiltrating and subversive armies of the prophetically confirmed unchanging Papacy.]
In the Pope's encyclical letter of 1854, he stated that liberty of conscience "is a most pestilential error. A pest of all others most to be dreaded in a state." An encyclical letter is not just a comment. It is a binding principle that is never eradicated until something similarly ceremonial and trumped up is presented to disannul it.
You obviously have never read the encyclical nor taking into account it's content. Typical of an Adventist bigot.
[Are you surprised that Stephen didn't even go into the quotation in order to prove the statement that he just made? Are you surprised that he covers his despotism by making appeals for evidence and documentation? Are you surprised that he is calling everyone else a bigot? Is it common sense to request something more to refute the clear language of an encyclical letter than by calling the person who has read it and understood its import the very name the person writing the encyclical deserves? Well that quotation from the very Encyclical letter with other clear and unmistakeable statements are below.]
I prefer my mentally ill person who had regard for human life.
Well, if you are happy following a false prophet, knowing full well she is a false prophet and not a true prophet of God, then you will lose your salvation because you know your religion is idolatrous. I hope that this is not the case.
[Well no, we do not full well know that Ellen White is a false prophet. Is that how a despot behaves? Claims to like discussion or likes freedom of thought and belief just before he tells the world what it must accept? Now we do not know full well that Ellen White was a false prophet! How can we fully know, according to Mr. Korsman, that Ellen White is unquestionably a false prophet, and be bigots before the one making the charge? As you can see, Stephen Korsman doesn't tolerate anyone disagreeing with his views of Ellen White, but would call everyone else a bigot without a problem. Still yet, there is a difference to even trusting to a false prophet, over worshipping the Antichrist.]
Even Jim Jones killed his people by causing them to drink poison lemonade. The writings that were gathered of the record of what took place evidenced by the Constitution of the United States which was brought to being because of the very principles found in that encyclical letter more reveals the truth than anything else. Even Catholic writings tell us that unnumbered millions were put to death under the Pope, and not even an insane woman is bad enough to do such a "correct" thing.
Please provide proper documeted evidence for these "unnumbered millions". I think if you turned from your bigotted Adventist lies to honest historians you would not find any such evidence.
[Even to point to one descendant of the Waldenses will be a great step forward toward disproving the historical claim of the crimes of the Papacy. If just that sect of Christians ALONE, cannot be found, as I have said before, Rome has committed crimes far surpassing any and every "CULT" found today AND PLAINLY ALL OF THEM COMBINED!!]
Yes, we know that the real reason why so many of you push "the gospel" in the unique way you do is because you are the reincarnation of those inquisitors. Judgment will indeed be given to the saints, but let me tell you that the saints will view genocide as worse than "plagiarism." If only you will participate in that judgment.
I noticed that my offer to discuss honest arguments was met with bigotted diatribe from your side. [The same thing happened during the Dark Ages. Rome found bigotted diatribe coming out of the Protestants and therefore slew them in droves.] I find that very typical of Adventsts who cannot defend their faith. Unless you can provide honest arguments, I will no longer continue this episode which can hardly be considered a dialogue. Your unChristian attitude disgusts me. [It is better to even form whole websites to try and demonstrate how one woman is Satanic and mentally ill rather than do the "unChristian" thing of exposing what the Revelation says. Where in all the bible can you reveal any of the crimes of Ellen White in comparison? Where does the bible feature such a figure who can devastate the Saints and yet be mentally ill? Or else what does the bible mean in Daniel and the Revelation regarding Rome?] If you are an Adventist, I am glad I am not one.
God bless, Stephen
Stephen
Korsman
skorsman@global.co.za
http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/
- hoc est qui sumus - this is who we are - the time is near
-----Original Message-----
From:
Stephen Korsman [mailto:skorsman@global.co.za]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 1995 11:06 PM
To: Ted McMillan
Cc: Self-1
Subject: Re: Your "Christ-like" Website!
Hi my friend
The heresies of Adventism and Ellen White are a stench in the nostrils of God. Unless you can provide honest facts to prove your point, or decent civilised arguments, please refrain from sending me the crap you dished up in your last e-mail. I will not bother with this tripe any more.
God bless, Stephen
--
Stephen Korsman
skorsman@global.co.za
http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/
- hoc est qui sumus - this is who we are - the time is near
Your answers were expected. I read about you often in Foxe's Book of Martyrs.
You since want evidence that is so honest, that in all your responses to the points I made, you made sure you did not answer the part where I told you that the Pope has apologized. Do you understand how many people do not trust the honesty of that apology?
People like you popping up everywhere and in everything is proof that only those accusing others of being bigots can gainsay.
I will not write to you anymore, but I have a good example for my website.
Ted
-----Original
Message-----
From: Stephen Korsman [mailto:skorsman@global.co.za]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 1995 9:03 PM
To: Ted McMillan; Stephen Korsman
Subject: Re: Your "Christ-like" Website!
Hi !
Your answers were expected. I read about you often in Foxe's Book of Martyrs.
Your lies are much like those of Foxe.
[Dear Readers:
If you live in the United States of America, you need to allow the reality of what you are living in overcome the railings and lies of Stephen and the rest of the Pope's army. Contained in your government are principles that were NOT in existence throughout the centuries of the Christian dispensation. During the Dark Ages when Rome held power, there were no rights to speech, to the press, to religion, nor even to education. You were not allowed to possess a bible at the very least in your own language. Can anyone tell me why the United States would emerge to bring about principles so many of the Pope's army are telling us always existed throughout the centuries?
During the days of the Inquisitions a person was arrested merely on suspicion of having beliefs not in ally with the Catholic Church. That person typically not only would not be tried, but would disappear off of the face of the earth without his family even knowing what happened. There was no provision for Habeas Corpus nor even a messengers' note or official word (phone call) to let his family know what happened. If he refused to recant, that person was typically burned at the stake. If the person recanted, that person still yet had to live his entire days in prison. You need to understand that there were dramatic changes before the United States was fully born.
Here now are some very clear statements by Rome to demonstrate her nature. Witness that these cannot have any affect upon those struggling to bring back those principles.
WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT YOUR GOVERNMENT, CHURCHES, THE MILITARY, AND MOST PUBLIC OFFICES OF TRUST IN THE UNITED STATES AND ELSEWHERE HAVE PEOPLE WITH MINDS EXACTLY LIKE STEPHEN KORSMAN INSTALLED WITHIN THEM. THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL SOON SEE WILL BE YOUR BIG SURPRISE AND YOUR FORCED UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROPHECY OF THE REVELATION!! A TIME OF TROUBLE SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE THERE WAS A NATION, AND EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME.
Here now are the clear statements made by Rome that proves what Stephen calls the "AntiCatholic bigots" have been saying for hundreds of years]:
"If Catholics ever gain a sufficient numerical majority in this country, religious freedom is at an end. So our enemies say, SO WE BELIEVE" (The Shepherd of the Valley, official journal of the Bishop of St Louis, Nov. 23, 1851).
"No man has a right to choose his religion." -- (New York Freeman, official journal of Bishops Hughes, Jan. 26, 1852).
"The church . . . does not, and cannot accept, or in any degree favor, liberty in the Protestant sense of liberty." -- (Catholic World, April, 1870.)
" Protestantism has not, and never can have, any right where Catholicity has triumphed." -- (Catholic Review, June, 1875)
"Religious Liberty is merely endured UNTIL THE OPPOSITE CAN BE CARRIED INTO EFFECT WITHOUT PERIL TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH." -- (Rt. Rev. O'Connor, Bishop of Pittsburgh.)
" The absurd and erroneous doctrines or ravings in defense of liberty of conscience are a most pestilential error--a pest, of all others, most to be dreaded in a state." -- Encyclical Letter of Pope Pius IX, August 15, 1854.
"There is, ere long, to be a state religion in this country, and that state religion is to be the Roman Catholic. . . The Roman Catholic is to wield his vote for the purpose of securing Catholic ascendancy in this country." -- (Father Hecker, Catholic World, July, 1870.)
"If the liberties of the American people are ever destroyed, they will fall by the hands of the Catholic clergy." -- Lafayette
"You ask if the Pope were lord over this land and you were in a minority, what he would do to you? That, we say, would entirely depend on circumstances. If it would benefit the cause of Catholicism, he would tolerate you: if expedient, he would imprison, banish you, probably he might even hang you. But be assured of one thing, he would never tolerate you for the sake of your glorious principles of Civil and religious liberty." -- (Rambler, one of the most prominent Catholic papers of England, Sept., 1851.)
[These are by far not the complete record of similar statements found in the inner doctrines of Rome. What would likely be Stephen's response to all of this evidence? He would push it away and claim that we do not understand it correctly as Foxe'se Book and the works of other Protestant writers of history acclaim naturally. How then do we understand where truth is?
Just let even a segment of one of these statements be found in the official documents of the Adventist Church, and you will have proof of the truth that you would not be able to gainsay. Mr. Korsman and the rest of the strange folk would jump upon it and go irate. It would be futile to bring to their attention the many statements we even just read, if just a part of one such statement were known to be a part of Adventist doctrine. I know this to be true, for not even a part of such statements can be found in Adventism, and Mr. Korsman still cannot see the evidence which demonstrates the very reason why so many were killed throughout history by Rome.
Listen now however to the crowning demonstration of the falsity of the claims of Mr. Korsman. I had asked him:]
You since want evidence that is so honest, that in all your responses to the points I made, you made sure you did not answer the part where I told you that the Pope has apologized. Do you understand how many people do not trust the honesty of that apology?
People do not trust the Vicar of Christ because they cannot accept Christ completely. I didn't think it necessary to respond to that section. Especially considering the tone you take with me.
[Notice therefore that Mr. Korsman responded to most every section but that one. The reason he states that he did not respond to it was because of my "tone" toward him. Evidently, I didn't take that tone in any other section.]
People like you popping up everywhere and in everything is proof that only those accusing others of being bigots can gainsay.
Actually, YOU are the one that "popped up" and sent ME comments ... the fact that you cannot prove your claims itself proves that they are bigotted lies.
[I was not referring to people popping up and making comments. I was referring to people popping up telling us that we must respect all views and have respect for those who differ before they tell us what is fact, biblical, gospel, and what our churches must transform to under Rome.]
I will not write to you anymore, but I have a good example for my website.
Likewise. Bigots like you make my stomach churn, and all of us can see that you have no biblical basis for your faith; your only aim is an anti-Christian one, to promote Adventism even though you have no proof for it.
God bless,
Stephen
Stephen
Korsman
skorsman@global.co.za
http://home.global.co.za/~skorsman/- hoc est qui sumus - this is who
we are - the time is near
[3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there
come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself
that he is God. -- 2 Thess. 2:3, 4]
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