WERE THE PROTESTANTS THE SAME AS THE CATHOLICS DURING THE REFORMATION??
Created 12/01/2002; Updated 03/04/2006
There are Protestants today who understand the plain cold and hard facts: Rome has actually not changed since the Dark Ages. How do we know? Much of this website with the strange people being depicted can instill into your minds the fact that what was just stated is the truth. One such strange person was attacking the Adventist Church. He was participating on an "Adventist" internet discussion forum. In the course of his participation, he early told us that he gets angry when anyone says that the Papacy is the Antichrist. Of course, this is a dead giveaway! For hundreds of years, anyone making such a statement would have been known to be a papist. He, however, denied that he was a papist. He was designing for us the idea that his verbal declarations have to take the supremacy over evidence. This rule, of course, is completely reversed when we make verbal declarations. He does not respect our words for anything, but makes sure he does everything to make his words predominate.
He, a short time after, told the forum that he will attack anything that stands in the way of the churches uniting. He did not bother to add "with Rome." Another poster asked him who or what will lead this great body of united churches, and this man replied, "JESUS CHRIST!"
All of these are dead giveaways that the man in question is an infiltrator militia man of the Papacy. Historically, there was no question on this point. That's why they created this hyper-questioning environment that we have today in the world: so that no other voices can be heard clearly except those of their own. That was the agenda behind the ever popular expression, "DIVERSITY IS THE SECRET OF OUR STRENGTH!" Everyone is debating pro and con and canceling each other out, while above that confusion, singular and despot voices are coming more and more into prominence giving us all the "FACTS". They are almost the only ones making definite statements now that everyone has to believe and accept. They are telling us what is fact that everyone must plainly see.
We met another strange person--a woman--who continued to attack Ellen White, calling her a plagiarist. She showed much emotion and she was relentless in her attacks. The problem is that this same woman told the forum often that we are not to focus on anything but Christ. We are not to post about anything else. She then proceeded to make sure that PRACTICALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HER POSTS were attacks against Ellen White and Adventism. From day one we tried to awaken any kind of conscience within her, but she refused. She showed also much emotion in declaring that Ellen White was a plagiarist. This "crime" made her quite upset. We made attempts to expose her, and in response she accused us of being in an "obsession" against her and that our hearts are filled with "hate."
We then posted documentation of the horrible Massacre of St. Bartholomew out of the book "Foxe's Book of Martyrs." That narration demonstrated how Rome tricked the Protestants by becoming tolerant and friendly with them. They got the Protestants into a great celebration--(is that word becoming more and more familiar nowadays?)--and then suddenly attacked and murdered them sparing neither age nor sex.
When that horrible narration was posted, there was immediate silence on that forum from the strange people posting there. Upon prodding the strange people on that forum again and again to respond to why their blood pressure goes high when they document what they claim is plagiarism, and yet they get quiet and yawn over the horrible massacre of thousands of people, the lady responded by making the statement that both Protestants and Catholics were just the same hornery and ruthless.
The following is an article I found on the newsgroups that helps to support this delusion. It says, in this portion of it:
Answers to Objections: Regarding the Church: The Catholic Church butchered 68 million people during the Middle Ages. by Gary Hoge
The Protestants persecuted each other, and Catholics, and witches, to the limit of their ability. If they were responsible for fewer deaths than the Catholic Church, it is only because they controlled less territory. The "persecution argument," then, cuts both ways. If it is an argument against the validity of Catholicism, then it is also an argument against the validity of Protestantism.
Let's face it, some of our history as Christians is not very attractive, no matter on which side of the Reformation you find yourself, and Protestants who accuse the Catholic Church of atrocity are simply throwing stones from within their own glass house. I will not defend the Inquisition, and other such persecutions: I think they were barbaric. I will simply note that it was a barbaric time, by modern standards, and that Protestants were indistinguishable from Catholics in this regard.
We may not be able to condone what our ancestors did, but perhaps we can try to understand it. To do so, we need to understand that the people living back then had a very different attitude towards heresy than we do. In the Middle Ages, the entire society was organized around religion. Thus, heresy was not seen as simply a matter of personal sin or ignorance, but as a crime against the public order. To advocate a different religion was seen as a challenge to the state and the common good. Unfortunately, this led to some terrible persecution, of which all Christians should be ashamed.
Is what was said here true?
We therefore have to put the facts in order. This is just another indicator that Rome has not changed a bit! Now, with fears about Rome coming to power again as prophecy tells us, isn't it the time to notice that strange people defending Rome are using deception to do it? Those were the component principles that made Rome so dangerous: deception and oppression. What are we supposed to think if we see these qualities again returning?
If you therefore think that the Protestants were just the same as the Catholics who always sought to murder them historically, check out the following differences, and ask the strange people on the forums to answer. More than likely they will ignore you like they have done to us.
First however understand that Protestants did persecute. Remember, all Protestants were even once Catholics and condoned persecution under her. It is hardly likely that as they moved away from that system, they would not take with them some of the characteristics of that organization. What persecution they did however, was not nearly to be compared to what Rome has done as we will show:
1. Do the Protestants in their base doctrines have any provision whatsoever for the persecution or destruction of those who do not agree with her doctrines? We already know that Rome has. Can any statement be found among their Protestant doctrines showing that they believe they have the right to punish or even kill Catholics or those who do not accept their beliefs?
2. Do the Protestants have a history of constructing implements of torture? Can these devices be found? Do any of their churches in their foundations have dungeons underneath them or any implements of torture?
3. Do Protestants proudly display pictures of those whom they have killed as does Rome in her main Cathedral?
4. Do Protestants have a history of deception that Rome has even now in the present with the strange unscrupulous people on the forums? In most every massive attack such as the Massacre of St. Bartholomew, the Catholics became friendly with the Protestants, pretended to have changed, and then went to the Protestants and told them that they had changed and wanted healing. Do we know of any time when the Protestants went to the Catholics and said, "WE'VE CHANGED!! WE WANT HEALING, UNITY, CELEBRATION, and PEACE!! NOW WE ARE JUST LIKE YOU??" Did they then get them to celebrate and then start a massacre?
Remember closely that many strange people are telling us that both the Protestants and the Catholics were the same and just as hornery during those horrible days. Is that so? Why would Rome come so many times to the Protestants to tell them that she has changed and want healing, if the Protestants were just as mean and hornery as were the Catholics? Why would they approach the Protestants so many times to tell them that they have changed, when they were already the same as the Protestants?
5. Do Protestant writings show anywhere the necessity of people giving up their liberties? We are working on statements from Dark Ages Vatican people on the newsgroups telling us as a matter of fact that Americans should give up their liberties. This cry is much louder now in wake of the new terrorist attacks, but it was sounded well before that happened.
6. Do the Protestants have any writings today which tells the world that they are constructing a One World Government and that all, including the Catholics, must surrender to this new structure or expect to become extinct?
7. Do the Protestant Churches have writings revealing that they are intolerant like Rome has? Here are some examples:
"If Catholics ever gain a sufficient numerical majority in this country, religious freedom is at an end. So our enemies say, SO WE BELIEVE" (The Shepherd of the Valley, official journal of the Bishop of St Louis, Nov. 23, 1851).
"No man has a right to choose his religion." -- (New York Freeman, official journal of Bishops Hughes, Jan. 26, 1852).
"The church . . . does not, and cannot accept, or in any degree favor, liberty in the Protestant sense of liberty." -- (Catholic World, April, 1870.)
"Protestantism has not, and never can have, any right where Catholicity has triumphed." -- (Catholic Review, June, 1875)
"Religious Liberty is merely endured UNTIL THE OPPOSITE CAN BE CARRIED INTO EFFECT WITHOUT PERIL TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH." -- (Rt. Rev. O'Connor, Bishop of Pittsburgh.)
"The absurd and erroneous doctrines or ravings in defense of liberty of conscience are a most pestilential error--a pest, of all others, most to be dreaded in a state." -- Encyclical Letter of Pope Pius IX, August 15, 1854.
"There is, ere long, to be a state religion in this country, and that state religion is to be the Roman Catholic. . . The Roman Catholic is to wield his vote for the purpose of securing Catholic ascendancy in this country." -- (Father Hecker, Catholic World, July, 1870.)
"If the liberties of the American people are ever destroyed, they will fall by the hands of the Catholic clergy." -- Lafayette
"You ask if the Pope were lord over this land and you were in a minority, what he would do to you? That, we say, would entirely depend on circumstances. If it would benefit the cause of Catholicism, he would tolerate you: if expedient, he would imprison, banish you, probably he might even hang you. But be assured of one thing, he would never tolerate you for the sake of your glorious principles of Civil and religious liberty." -- (Rambler, one of the most prominent Catholic papers of England, Sept., 1851.)
"Long ages ago, when Rome through the neglect of the Western emperors was left to the mercy of the barbarous hordes, the Romans turned to one figure for aid and protection, and asked him to rule them; and thus, . . . commenced the temporal sovereignty of the popes. And meekly stepping to the throne of Caesar, the vicar of Christ took up the scepter to which the emperors and kings of Europe were to bow in reverence through so many ages."--American Catholic Quarterly Review, April, 1911.
"We define that the Holy Apostolic See (the Vatican) and the Roman Pontiff hold the primacy over the whole world."-A Decree of the Council of Trent, quoted in Philippe Labbe and Gabriel Cossart, "The Most Holy Councils," col. 1167.
A poster on the newsgroups who supported persecution and killing of all non-Catholics and therefore condemned Separation of Church and State was asked if Rome still believes this. He replied in the affirmative and told us that God should be honored as the King, and the King should rule the world.
This is response number 133 in a series of posts fighting this issue out AGAIN after centuries of doing the same. We see that Rome hasn't changed! Here is the tree or wholistic view of the whole thread as it can be found on the Google posting record:
Didn't other people have those same thoughts in Christ's day when they wanted to make Christ king? Does that mean the Apostles should kill Jews and members of other religions in order to make Christ king? Why didn't the Apostles adopt this principle? We asked the killers this over and over again and they followed all Inquisition history by pretending we did not ask them a thing! Rome indeed DOES still believe this!
"[It is error to believe that] The Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church." Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section VI, Errors About Civil Society, Considered Both in Itself and in its Relation to the Church, #55.
"[It is error to believe that] Kings and princes are not only exempt from the jurisdiction of the Church, but are superior to the Church in deciding questions of jurisdiction." Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section VI, Errors About Civil Society, Considered Both in Itself and in its Relation to the Church, #54.
"[It is error to believe that] In the case of conflicting laws enacted by the two powers (Church and civil), the civil law prevails." Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section VI, Errors About Civil Society, Considered Both in Itself and in its Relation to the Church, # 42.
"Democracy is a michievous dream where the Catholic Church does not predominate." -Brownson's Review.
"There is one, and only one, sure democracy, the Catholicism of the Popes" -The Catholic World, Oct, 1937.
"Some dwell on the vastly increased tolerance shown in this country now to Catholics and Catholic thugs... It betokens a decay of Protestantism." -Catholic World, Oct. 1935, p.66
The old Protestant culture is about at the end of its rope... Why can't we make the U.S. Catholic in legislation, Catholic in justice, aims and ideals?" -Father F. X. Talbot, editor of America, official jesuit magazine for the U.S. statement in New York Globe Dec. 14, 1930
In the book Confusion Twice Confounded, Monsignor Joseph H. Brady states that the U.S. Supreme Court is wrong in decisions regarding "Separation of Church and State." He says: "A sound view of the Constitution in its relation to religion probably awaits a change in personnel in our highest tribunal." -The Register, Jan. 23, 1955.
"But Constitutions can be changed, and non-Catholic sects may decline to such a point that the political proscription [ban] of them may become feasible and expedient. What protection would they have against a Catholic state?" -The State and the Church, pp.38,39, by Miller and Ryan, imprimatur of Cardinal Hayes.
"The Catholic Church in this nation must live on to accomplish her work, even though our Republican form of government disappears." -The Catholic World, April, 1935, p.12. "
They [Catholics] must penetrate wherever possible in the administration of civil affairs... all Catholics should do all in their power to cause the constitution of states, and legislation to be modeled on the principles of the true Church." -Encyclical of Leo XIII.
"It is error to believe that Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true." Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section III, Indifferentism, Latitudinarianism, #15.
"It is error
to believe that hence it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries,
that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their
own peculiar worship." Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in
1864, Section X, Errors Having
Reference to Modern Liberalism, #78.
"It is error to believe that Moreover, it is false that the civil liberty of every form of worship, and the full power, given to all, of overtly and publicly manifesting any opinions whatsoever and thoughts, conduce more easily to corrupt the morals and minds of the people, and to propagate the pest of indifferentism." Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section X, Errors Having Reference to Modern LiberalismI, #79.
"This shameful font of indifferentism gives rise to that absurd and erroneous proposition which claims that liberty of conscience must be maintained for everyone. It spreads ruin in sacred and civil affairs, though some repeat over and over again with the greatest impudence that some advantage accrues to religion from it....a pestilence more deadly to the state than any other. Experience shows, even from earliest times, that cities renowned for wealth, dominion, and glory perished as a result of this single evil, namely immoderate freedom of opinion, license of free speech, and desire for novelty.
[Is that why Jesuits are infiltrating all society and pushing "freedom of
opinion?" They do it with the pretext that all opinions are to be treated with
respect, and they follow by making sure all arguments of a moral, doctrinal and
political nature are endless. If someone arrives with arguments that are
conclusive, they attack that individual, constantly accuse him of mental illness
and they constantly evade his questions which help to get to the bottom of the
debates.]
Here We must include
that harmful and never sufficiently denounced freedom to publish any writings
whatever and disseminate them to the people, which some dare to demand and promote
with so great a clamor. We are horrified to see what monstrous doctrines and
prodigious errors are disseminated far and wide in countless books, pamphlets,
and other writings which, though small in weight, are very great in malice."
-- Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (On Liberalism and Religious
Indifferentism), Encyclical promulgated on August 15, 1832, #14 & 15.
Why then are Jesuits such as Stephen Korsman and many others attacking the Adventist Church before other religionists on the claim that they support the Ten Commandments and should therefore be reviled? Why did Stephen Korsman support the Iraq War after Pope John Paul II condemned it?
"Under the
influence of Germanic customs and concepts, torture was little used from the
9th to the 12th centuries, but with the revival of Roman law the practice was
reestablished in the 12th century... In 1252 (Pope) Innocent IV sanctioned the
infliction of torture by the civil authorities upon heretics, and torture came
to have a recognized place in the procedure of the inquisitional courts."
-New Catholic Encyclopedia, arts. "Inquisition", "Auto-da-Fe',"
and "Massacre of St
Bartholomew's Day."
The United States,
under the deceptive Patriot Act and War on Terror are adopting persecution as
a means to win the war!
"Experience
teaches that there is no other remedy for the evil, but to put heretics (Protestants)
to death; for the (Romish) church proceeded gradually and tried every remedy:
[We must interrupt the quote here to mention that they didn't try every remedy. They didn't sit down with the Protestants and show them that they were in error! The same thing is happening on the newsgroups. We ask them many simple questions they pretend we don't ask! As they were defending Rome's right to put non-Catholics to death--something we were FOR YEARS accused of hatred for revealing--we then asked them how their beliefs align with HOMELAND SECURITY! British Prime Minister Tony Blair defined a terrorist as a person who has an uncanny disregard for human life. The posters on the newsgroups demand the extermination of all who are not Catholic, AND EVEN CATHOLICS WHO DO NOT FULLY BELIEVE ALL THAT ROME TEACHES. That's why we call them SUPER-TERRORISTS! The quote continues:]
...at first she merely excommunicatied them; afterwards she added a fine; then she banished them; and finally she was constrained to put them to death." -Cardinal Bellarmine famous champion of Romanism cited by Schumucker p. 76
The rector of the Catholic Institute of Paris, H.M.A. Baudrillart, revealed the attitude of the church and her leaders toward persecution. "When confronted with heresy," he said, "she does not content herself with persuasion, arguments of an intellectual and moral order appear to her insufficient, and she has recourse to force, to corporal punishment, to torture." The Catholic Church, The Renassance, and Protestantism, pp. 182-183
"'The church,' says [Martin] Luther, 'has never burned a heretic.' . . I reply that this argument proves not the opinion, but the ignorance or impudence of Luther. Since almost infinite numbers were either burned or otherwise killed, Luther either did not know it, and was therefore ignorant, or if he was not ignorant, he is convicted of impudence and falsehood,--for that heretics were often burned by the Catholic Church may be proved from many examples."--Robert Bellarmine, disputationes de Controversiis, Tom. II, Lib. III, cap. XXII, 1628 edition [Bellarmine is one of the most respected Jesuit teachers in the history of the Gregorian University in Rome, the largest Jesuit training school in the world].
"It no longer can be said today that the U.S. is a Protestant country." -Cardinal Strich of Chicago, quoted in Time Magazine, Aug. 5, 1955."
In the fourth and fifth centuries, Sunday shows and Sunday theaters, it was complained, hindered the "devotion of the faithful," because many of the members attended them in preference to the church services. The church, therefore, demanded that the state interfere, and promote Sunday observance by law. "In this way, " Says Neander "the church received help from the state for the furtherence of her ends." This union of church and state served to establish the Papacy in power. A simular course pursued now will produce the same results. -AUGUSTUS NEANDER, General History of the Christian Religion and the Church, Torey translation (3rd American ed.), vol. 2, pp. 300,301
[As the horrible unchanging nature of Rome is revealed, we were shown a terrible agenda to make sure Rome is not identified as the Antichrist. Members of many different religions posting on the internet showed great displeasure because we did this. Observe then this next quote:]
"No person shall preach without the permission of his Superior. All preachers shall explain the Gospel according to the Fathers. They shall not explain futurity or the times of Antichrist!" -Pope Leo X, 1516
Notice how that last quotation declared that the principles of civil and religious liberty were Protestant belief ALONE, and was even ridiculing the concept! Notice THE ENCYCLICAL LETTER above? Encyclical letters have not been known to change!
After displaying this to a determined papist named Stephen Korsman, who hosted the "Catholic Defenders of the Faith" website, who called us "bigots," his reply was that we did not understand the true meaning of those statements. I then asked him if he would understand the true meaning of those statements if these quotations were Adventist quotations. He ignored my question. He did that because he hosts at least that website that jumps upon every statement of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and twists it repeatedly to show they have done many unforgivable crimes. None of those so-called crimes involved blood or the killing of anyone!
Are writings even similar to these found in Protestant Churches? Therefore are the Protestants and the Catholics just the same? Is it true that the Protestants murdered sufficient Catholics to be worthy of note while Rome did not do similarly worthy of note? How come Foxe's Book of Martyrs and other Protestant writings tell us that Rome is intolerant, uses deception profusely to accomplish her aims, and never changes, yet the very writings of Rome herself confirm this, and yet strange folk are around telling us that we don't even understand the clear language written above, but we are just bigots for posting them?
Look at the dates of these declarations folks! These were all written LONG AFTER FREEDOM WAS ATTAINED! As you can see here, Rome hasn't learned a thing and does not agree with the principles of freedom that were acquired!
8. Do we see the whole world changing to Protestant principle? Or do we see it changing to papal globalistic principles as we speak and even against all the strong opposition to it?
9. Did Rome come up with the principles of freedom which we enjoy today and which the forum Jesuits pervert even. They are telling us that everyone has the right to disagree. I believe that also. But how come thence they are teaching us, telling us what is clear, plain, up, down, scriptural, erred and the like and are not accepting this rule by actions, but do so by lips?
10. If you are a Protestant, does your church have secret orders like the Jesuits, the Knights of Columbus and all? Since Rome has these orders, can you explain why your church doesn't need them? What is their purpose? Winning souls??? What they are doing now, etc?
One person in particular has said that the attendance in the Roman Church is sadly languishing, and that the Jesuits and other orders are there to correct that. If you are a Protestant and that happened in your church, would you create secret militia orders to make horrible oaths, to infiltrate and subvert societies and armies and all? Since Rome has these orders and the other churches do not, has attendance at Catholic Churches been percentage-wise significantly greater than that of the other churches?
With these orders comes the mandate for the elimination of the principle of Separation of Church and State. Rome, like during the horrible past, goes into both church and state STILL! Does your church do that?
Now let's find an overmastering example to show the difference between Rome and the Protestants. On the newsgroups a man by the name of Ted Seeber condemned liberty, the US Constitution AND THEN ALL NON-CATHOLIC HUMAN LIFE BOLDLY! His words are a condemnation for all Catholics also who do not implicitly believe EVERYTHING Rome teaches. Here is the proof:
The man says: "NONE of the groups persecuted by the Catholics were living the Bible. They were living their personal interpretations of God, not the Bible"
Brother Ted revealed that this was done just after the 911 attacks when America was assessing what a terrorist was with respect to human life.
Because of the revelation, Ted Seeber had to make an excuse and leave. He left his website up, but his pictures and other things appeared to have disappeared from it.
Soon, another killer super-terrorist became insensed at what was done to Ted Seeber. He then moved out to attack me as I was showing how Seeber confirmed THAT ROME HADN'T CHANGED. She still has mass-exterminations as part of her agenda, practice and habits. To accomplish this she has demons in human form trained to storm all free media and teach people how they must understand that people will disagree.
That killer refashioned his name after mine in the reverse and called himself "William Suzanne." The man then entered with the boldest of lies, much like John Ashcroft telling us the Patriot Act is Constitutional!
He comes in telling us that SEEBER DOESN'T SPEAK FOR (or represent) Rome in his condemnation of all non-Catholics.
I had to ask the super-terrorist more than once why then he wasn't upset with Seeber for MISREPRESENTING Rome. As usual, the super-terrorist then moved into an unbridled attack against the Adventist Church LEAVING THE QUESTION COMPLETELY UNTOUCHED!!
Now some of you may well not be convinced that Ted Seeber condemned all non-Catholics on the newsgroups. Actually, to this day, even those on the newsgroups who formerly denied it had to confess that Seeber did just that, and they went into every manner of defense for Seeber. As we expose the dialogues, we will more prove this. However, since we started this work, another person came out more boldly and gave approval of the deaths of millions of Christians. She posts under the name of Teresita. When I made mention of that great Christian work Foxe's Book of Martyrs, detailing centuries of uncountable murders of bible-believing Christians, she referred to the work as:
"Foxe's Book
of Hereticks." She therefore approved of their deaths because they viewed
religion differently:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=b0165u09im@drn.newsguy.com
1/14/2003
Naturally, we got on her case for her boldness here as we still have the liberty to do in this free country.
Teresita in response lied to us, telling us that when she called Foxe's Book of Martyrs "Foxe's Book of Heretics," she was only referring to the Albigenses of the Protestant Reformation 5/29/2003 who were a minority group of Christians during that time:
How do we know she was lying? The Albigenses were hardly mentioned in that massive work. Protestants usually have little to say about the Albigenses BECAUSE BOTH THEMSELVES AND ALL THEIR WORKS WERE COMPLETELY ANNIHILATED BY ROME! But more proof that she was lying comes in her next response as she worked to divert from my advancing questions:
Teresita belied
her claim that she was only refering to the Albigenses when she condemned the
Christian martyrs as "hereticks" by condemning Tyndale, who was not
one of the Albigenses:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bcfbru0230p%40drn.newsguy.com
NEXT:
When pressed further and further to reveal her beliefs she is trained to hide on the matter of the value of human life, Teresita says the Vatican merely carried out God's commands when they killed millions of Christians because the Israelites did the same with their enemies. Here she is freely admitting what all those "Anti-Catholics" and "Catholic-haters" have been saying all along:
Here is that dialogue below:
From: Teresita
(teresita@newsguy.com)
Subject: Re: Teresita responds inappropriatly
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.adventist,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, tnn.religion.catholic
Date: 2003-05-29 12:05:31 PST
In article <6s6bdv0l317i6dfjs86mheig36vm8nec6s@4ax.com>,
Susan says...
>
>Like Ted Seeber, you gave approval to their deaths and then come on the
forums telling me I hate people just because they disagree.
>
>We are still under Homeland Security right through to the destruction of
this nation. We are asked to report all terrorist activity found
>in people who have a profound disrespect of human life!
Teresita replies:
We merely carried out God's commandment in His Eternal Word:
Deuteronomy 17:2-5 "If there is found among you, within any of your towns which the Lord your God gives you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it; then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abominable thing has been done in Israel, then you shall bring forth to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones."
ARE YOU LISTENING HOMELAND SECURITY??? She claims the scriptures mandated their
actions IN THE NEW TESTAMENT!! Is it the New Testament now? Do those scriptures
still exist now and have weight now IN THE NEW TESTAMENT??
LASTLY AND MOST STRONGLY:
After telling us that just to expose these facts about Rome she is now boldly admitting is hatred, what would happen if we took a look at what ANTI-PROTESTANTISM always was throughout the ages? When we brought this issue about hatred up for her condemning the lives of all non-Catholics, this is how she declared Rome didn't hate her victims she was killing:
I wrote:
In article <3dqrmvoit629haa6l7dk45d4e25165n5ev@4ax.com>, Susan Williams
says...
>But super-terrorists--I
mean SUPER-TERRORISTS, we are waiting for
>evidence. We were not born to listen to the worst killers on the
>earth who tell us what we must do, but when we expose how they are
>they tell the world we hate Catholics. They can kill all
>non-Catholics they say, BUT THEY DON'T HATE THEM!
Teresita replies:
It's nothing personal. It's just business.
--
Encyclopedia Teresita
Brother Ted McMillan exposed the monster for doing these things AND HE WAS VICIOUSLY AND CONSTANTLY ATTACKED BY OTHER PEOPLE EVEN CLAIMING MEMBERSHIP TO OTHER RELIGIONS!!
But then the subject went to the Ustashis of WWII who were the most brutal killers known to the modern world. They were Catholics! We are talking about the 1940s here when liberty, advancement and knowledge were already at its height!!
Those who attacked Brother McMillan from various Christian denominations, and even one who claimed to be a Wiccan (or Witch) kept defending the Ustashis by telling us that some Serbs killed some Ustashis also, and so no one can say that the worst killers known to the modern world were at fault to anything. They kept telling us that blame is shared.
Below proves what they are saying is just another lie:
Worldmark
Encyclopedia of the Nations, Europe, edition 1995, page 91, entry: Croatia
Quote:
Slavko
Kvaternik [the second in command to the Croatian WWII fuehrer, Dr Ante Pavelic]
explained [on the day of formation of the WWII "Independent State of Croatia",
on April 10, 1941] HOW PURE CROATIA SHOULD BE BUILT - by forcing one third of
the Serbs to leave Croatia, one third to convert to Catholicism, and one third
to be EXTERMINATED. Soon Ustasha bands initiated a BLOODY ORGY of mass murder
of Serbs unfortunate enough not to have converted or left Croatia on time. THE
ENORMITY OF SUCH CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR SHOCKED EVEN THE CONSCIENCE OF GERMAN COMMANDERS...
(End quote)
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/docs/backin.htm
[Start
Quote] "The greatest ethnic slaughter took place
as Yugoslavia was carved up after the German invasion in April 1941. The creation
of a separate Croatia ... controlled by the fascist, Catholic, extremist Ustasha
movement was the catalyst for the tragedy... Now, historic Croatia was expanded
to include Bosnia-Herzegovina and other territories, and the Ustasha were left
... to govern a population of nearly 7 million people, of whom about half were
Croats, just over 2 million were Serbs, about 750,000 were Muslims, and small
numbers were Protestants and Jews.... The Minister of Education, Mile Budak,
made clear the Ustasha aims: 'Our new Croatia will get rid of all Serbs in our
midst in order to become one hundred percent Catholic within ten years.' [End
quote]
Professor Clive Ponting, "Armageddon," Random House, Inc., New York,
1995, pages 231-232.
As you can see, the Nazis were not confused thinking that blame was shared. They were stunned not by the brutality of the victims of the Ustashis, but by the Ustashis themselves. EVEN THE NAZIS HAVE THIS COMMON SENSE!
Hard to describe the brutality of the Ustashi!
http://www.antichrist.com.au/2000/0003/0003ustashi.html
http://www.holocaustrevealed.org/_domain/holocaustrevealed.org/Croatia/Ustashi_in_Croatia.htm
These who kept defending the Ustashis and then telling us that blame is shared, continued to exclusively attack us on the newsgroups for what they called name-calling. They then ignored all the others who called us names, INCLUDING THEMSELVES!!
The question again is: Were the Protestants and the Catholics the same? The answer is clearly NO! We are therefore contending with the same deceptions that empowered the Inquisitions of the Dark Ages!
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