JESUIT DIALOGUES !!

(Pat Darnell in Action!)

Updated 08/01/2003: Made printable; text and links added!

Our comments in this color:

On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 (posted on the Adventist Issues forum, Ms. Sutherland wrote to Jerry):

Ms. Sutherland:

What a great reminder. We need to memorize scripture! How precious those memorized scriptures will be if ever the Bible is once again removed from us.

Pat Darnell:

I KNOW what you mean, Ms. Sutherland! After a day on Adventist Issues, when folks have been calling me a Jesuit, a servant of Satan, and envoy of the Pope; after reading posts to others which have used toilet language, (I'm surprised that a lady like you could condone Jerry's toilet language!), how comforting to remember the words:

"Blessed are you when men shall revile you, persecute you, and FALSELY say all kinds of evil against you, because of ME."

Truly, my only purpose is to point out that ONLY JESUS CHRIST can save us. ONLY HIS PERFECT LIFE, substitutes for us. It is because of HIM that I am being called names, so I take courage from that. The religionists of His day misunderstood and mistreated Him, too...

Our Comments:

[Pat is not telling the truth here. There are many evangelistic organizations that present Christ to the world in the best way and the best light that they have. None of them we know follow the Jesuit Agenda of constantly posting what they claim are the inconsistencies, deceptions, plagiarism and false prophecies of what they call a "False Profit." Most of them are not constantly disturbed by the fact that some churches claim to be the true church except Rome. None of them we know of teach the people that we must all have our views and can see things differently only to then start telling them that their church structures must change. The Jesuits on that forum were asked why their deceptive evangelism was so different from most all other organizations and in response they just continued the false accusations, making sure that they did not answer the question.

You don't present Christ by doing nothing but posting up slanders against Ellen White and merely stating that you are doing it for Christ's sake. You don't present Christ by schooling the world about the life of Ellen White in continual "new revelations." There are some people in the world who would not be stupid and who can see around this high quality Jesuitism.]

Pat Darnell:

I really don't understand where some of you are coming from. Just look at this morning's posts - do you really believe that when Jesus sits in that judgment of which you speak so often, that the questions will go like this:

Were you a vegetarian? Did you keep all ten commandments perfectly? Did you ever break the Sabbath?

Our Comments:

[Like it or not, all will be judged by their works!]

Ms. Sutherland:

On coming back and reading through many of the messages there were very few that were worth reading. Yours, and one or two others were the only ones that contained messages that call people to higher ground and higher commitment to God. The rest only pulled down— Isn't it something how these people who continually tell us to focus on Christ keep writing messages containing nothing but words to pull down and break a person's commitment to Christ?

Pat Darnell:

What is REALLY interesting is that the people you hate use Scripture to show that Jesus is the importance - you and Jerry rarely use a Scripture, for there are no Scriptures which say that any of our own "works" or "deeds" are greater than Jesus. So you yell at us...I have urged a HIGHER commitment to Jesus Christ. I reject "commitment" to days, diets, and other deeds as that which qualifies us for Heaven.

Paul is so clear - and neither you nor Jerry EVER touch the Scriptures I have given, such as, "The Kingdom of Heaven is not a matter of food and drink..." Those Scriptures which you are loving to memorize, are ignored when you can't answer them.

"The Kingdom of Heaven is NOT a matter of food and drink."

Jesus told the Jews that the Kingdom was among them. Obviously, Jesus is the Kingdom of Heaven. If we have Him, we have everything. We needn't live for the future "time of trouble", or have other concerns, for we have HIM and walk with Him from day to day.

Our Comments:

[Pat is not being truthful here. No we never said that works are greater than Jesus. Pat has a history and training of putting words in peoples' mouths and falsifying their motives and intentions. Remember that we have shown that Christ taught His people to study the prophecies as shown here: (Matt. 24). Jesuits will always strive to take concerns off of the Time of Trouble and their conspiracy and infiltration. The problem is that Ellen White is a continual concern with Pat Darnell and every other person with a papal agenda. Ellen White's writings are consistently anti-ecumenical, and therefore the Jesuits cannot do anything else but attack them in violation of the principles they always present everywhere. Pat Darnell is only pushing Christ in order to tell us that we must join with the other churches under her pope and be ecumenical.

When the subject of the danger surrounding us by Rome was brought up, all the Jesuits did their best to castigate us by calling us "paranoid" and "conspiracy theorists"--all Vatican coined terms we hear practically daily. Another Jesuit posted the question whether or not we believe Christ can defeat all enemies. The Jesuit posted in this question because we were suggesting the actual necessary physical preparation for their inquisition. They naturally become very concerned when there is any thought that we must prepare for their upcoming holocaust and inquisition. We then posted in the question back whether or not Christ can defeat the "False Profit Jezebel" here meaning the names they always called Ellen White. The question was whether or not Christ can defeat that sickly old lady who was "struck in the BRAIN with a rock" as all the Jesuits on that forum always refer to in that manner. Any sensible person can see that this is typical Vatican hate. This was posted in because these Jesuits always post their terrible concern that Adventists still believe in her writings and don't trust the guidance they themselves are bringing in for forced change.

In reply, one notable Jesuit posted that it was a great question, but then stated that we did not answer his first question. He therefore repeated the question on whether or not we believed that Christ can destroy all enemies. He then since continued to post his concerns about Ellen White. He then also posted how we should not be concerned about anything, but should just rest in Christ.

Yes, we have presented points that they could not answer, but they are Jesuits: they are unscrupulous and their purpose is to do whatever it takes to destroy Adventist doctrine and influence.]

Pat Darnell:

We tend to forget that the "end of time" comes for each of us at death, so we should place our importance on HIM, now - not works or deeds, hoping sometime in the future to become perfected. As I've said before, we cannot clean the house good enough for the King; but when the King comes in HE will clean the house to suit Himself.

Our Comments:

[Remember that the purpose of Pat here is to destroy our understanding and acknowledgement of prophecy specifically because within them is the condemnation of the Papacy. She is using the name of Christ for this agenda. As she tells us that we must respect those who differ, she and her other posted names (Jodi Thiessen and others) consistently post in that we must alter our views to hers. All prophecy was given by Christ. How therefore can she destroy it? You are witnessing those means now.

Pat is here using tremendous deception of Jesuit quality. Her words do sound convincing. Question is, how do we understand the true nature of them? We understand by being informed of what had happened in the experiences honest Adventists had with her on the forum. Among the things that Pat Darnell has done is the following:

She has continually attacked Ellen White. This is contrary to her message of love and Christ she falsely puts in front to cover her real intentions. When we asked her and all the rest why they preach about love and against making accusations, but continue to always post in condemnations against Ellen White, they replied that it was necessary since it was the truth. When we posted in their inconsistencies and exposed the lies they continually tell, they posted in that we were not Christian because we accused.

In this venture, she, like all the rest, have posted in a great deal of information. Their preoccupation on doing all in their power to destroy Ellen White and the Adventist doctrines and structure far supersede all emphasis upon that which was planted to cover that agenda: Christ. In every case, far more was revealed about Ellen White than about Christ. They would continually post in what they claim is new information on Ellen White. Day after day brings post after post consistently on what they call the crimes, inconsistencies, deceptions and false prophecies of Ellen White, while everything they would state about Christ was repetitive and was only used as a shield to cover themselves. All honest participants can confirm that they had learned far more about Ellen White in her historical setting than about Christ.

She and her other friends have resorted to calling Ellen White all kinds of names in contradiction to their false concern about what she calls, "toilet language." To honestly inform people that they are Jesuits, they feign outrage and tell the forum that they are being attacked and name-called only and just for presenting Christ as the all important source of salvation. In most every place they are skilled at slipping in accusations. They then proceed to again attack and name-call Ellen White. They have called her, "Little Ellen," "Mother Ellen," they have called her a false prophet, they have accused her of writing books and starting the Adventist Church for the purpose of filling her pockets with money and creating silly deluded slaves, they have therefore called her, "The False Profit," and a host of other names, including "JEZEBEL." We were truly surprised that they did not use the "B" word.

When they called her, "Little Ellen," and "Mother Ellen," they did it in contempt being incensed that so many people are determined to believe her writings of interpretation, instead of letting them go and hearkening to what they claim is Christ: their ecumenical and globalist interpretations of the word. This "Christ" they are talking about appears when you understand that their mission is far from merely working to destroy the credibility of Ellen White. All of them from thence began to interpret for us what the Bible says, what the Gospel is, and how our church MUST refashion itself to comply with THEIR understanding of it. The problem with Ellen White was that people believe her and DO NOT BELIEVE THEM! Once you believe Ellen White, you will not consent to have your church changed and become as ecumenical as all the others, or as Pat Darnell and all the other strangers that were posting a Vatican agenda on the forum.

We had also posted excerpts from Foxe's Book of Martyrs detailing some of the horrifically horrible murders that took place during the Protestant Reformation. All of this awakened no response from Pat or the rest of the workers for the Vatican posting there, except that she commented quite nonchalantly that Protestants were just as mean and cruel as were the Papists of that time. She then continued to post and demonstrated that she was irate about the terrible evils of PLAGIARISM as just one of the "crimes" that Ellen White committed. She did this with much fervor and expression, and then constantly posted often in capital letters, about how it amazes her that Adventists would continue to believe in Ellen White, and not give up their doctrines based on the constant information and research they have provided that was not upon Christ.

Let us therefore witness some more of the deceptions here:]

Ms. Sutherland:

It continually amazes me how this whole forum is pitched in high gear to destroy Adventism.

Pat Darnell:

NOT! Jesus says, "And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all unto Me." We are trying, in our human way, to uplift Jesus! If that should destroy Adventism, so be it. I wouldn't be surprised that if HE is lifted up, and draws ALL to Himself, that will be the end of all religions and religiosity! But you will have none of that! You want to uplift Ellen, vegetarianism, sabbatarianisn, other things - not necessarily wrong of themselves, but 'way below Christ. They are not in the least salvific.

I wonder, what would the Adventist church do if Jesus IS lifted up, and ALL are drawn to HIM?

Our Comments:

[Notice the despotic statements all throughout? All throughout our experiences with these strange people, they constantly posted to us that we must understand that people are going to think and see things differently. Then followed these despotic statements.

Brethren, her purpose here is not to lift up Christ. This was revealed over and over again on the forum. She would attack Ellen White and the whole concept of Adventism. We would expose her deceptions and demonstrate on that forum that she is working after a papal agenda, and is therefore actually a papist. She would then whine and complain that she was being persecuted for Christ's sake. She would then return with more attacks upon Ellen White and do so with much inconsistencies. We would again expose her deceptions and demonstrate that all her attacks are consistently for the benefit of the Vatican. She would then whine and cry again about being persecuted for Christ sake. Again after a brief reprieve of a day or so, she would then return again with fresh information in attacks and accusations against Ellen White, and NOT ABOUT CHRIST. We would then expose her deceptions again. She would then post arrogantly the question of why we hate her just because she is enamored with Christ.

All of these are Jesuit tactics. Christians cannot do them, and Jesuits cannot stop doing them, for these are antichristians.

Brethren, this statement exposing who Pat Darnell works for took place long after she and her friends were exhorted to spread the gospel to the honest Catholics who were being told that they must observe Sunday.

(Remember that we had tricked Pat Darnell by posting about the Pope's letter, Dies Domini. For details of our findings, please examine the following links:)

http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/Milestone.html

and then check this one which examines the position of someone presenting the duplicate message that Pat Darnell always presents:

http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/CA4.htm

It was pointed out to her that there are multiplied millions upon millions more people who are Catholics. It was pointed out to her that the leader of them is far more world-widely recognized and renowned than Adventism itself. The "legalism" that, according to her definition, the Pope was spreading was therefore far more injurious to Christendom than anything Adventism can do. In response she added her voice to the false theme and explanation that because she and her friends are not Catholics, they do not care what the Pope says. Remember that they were told that they were not Adventists either. So while others lent their voices against the Pope's Letter, all of these strange folk spreading the deception that they were there to spread Christ, refused to say a word.

Yes if the preaching of Christ, she says, will destroy Adventism, then "so be it." But this gospel must not be for legalistic Catholics for a reason that was freely published on the forum, for which the accusations of spreading "toilet language" were issued."]

Pat Darnell:

The things we believe stand in direct opposition to all the new globalist religionists. Do you not believe that God so loved this "globe" that He gave His only-begotten Son to save it? Did He not pray to His Father, speaking of His followers, "I pray that they may be one, even as We are one?"

> For the dragon was enraged against the (true church) and he went to make

> war with the last of her children, who keep the commandments of God and

> have the testimony of Jesus.

Wasn't John the Revelator the same as the John who wrote the Gospel and the Epistles? If so, he spends three chapters in the Gospel of John (13, 14, 15) and three in 1 John (3, 4, 5) telling us what the commandments are. In fact, John even quotes Jesus in telling what the sign of the "true church" is: John 13:35: By THIS shall all men know that you are My disciples, that you keep the sabbath, don't eat meat, love little Ellen" - ooops, I made a typo. What it really says is:

Our Comments:

[Pat Darnell here intentionally ridiculed Ellen White and demonstrated the consistent Jesuit arrogance and antics on the forums. This is just one indicator to show the value of that gospel she determines we must accept whether we like it or not. They actually now do not care what they say or what they have to do. They often even ridicule and laugh at us on the forums and have already told us that the Adventist Church is going to give up its doctrines and become ecumenical, papal and globalistic as they are.

While these are doing what they can to condition us to accept the new papal mandate, the SDA Church organization, being horrifically infiltrated, is preparing the very capitulation to the terms that Pat and the other loyalists to the Vatican have presented. Still there are things Pat is not telling you about all this uniting business. She is keeping from you the many open and secret murders that will take place against all who refuse the papal changes to come, while they cover all this up using the word LOVE and JESUS, among others, continually! That is why ecumenism has been pushed well before the 19th century even, but it was rejected to this day by well-meaning and lovable people! Why did your religious ancestors ALWAYS refuse such advances by papists? Check the following links and scroll to my postings on the matter:

http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/Atomorrow03192002.htm

http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/Atomorrow04102002.htm]

Pat Darnell:

"By THIS shall all men know that you are My disciples, that you HAVE LOVE ONE FOR ANOTHER." But you and Jerry laugh at this text.

Our Comments:

[That statement was not true: Jerry did not laugh at that text, but there is something comical about Pat and the others presenting such a text when they had even posted freely that they hated Ellen White. The people we are discussing here are not famed for telling the truth anyway in any historical setting.]

Pat Darnell:

Why do you laugh?

Our Comments:

[Of course we didn't laugh, but the person making the accusation cares not what others think anyway.]

Pat Darnell:

Jesus, Saviour, Forgiver of Sin, is the One Who said it. So when you laugh, it is not just at myself you laugh - you laugh at the Saviour of the world...

So when John says,"Here are they who keep the commandments" he has already told us what those commandments are; when he says "and the testimony of Jesus", he tells us about that, too, in 1 John 5. "Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made Him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about His Son. And THIS IS THE TESTIMONY: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life...."

JESUS CHRIST is the sum total of our salvation. He is the only-begotten of the Father. It is our relationship to Jesus that God is going to judge us by. He who has the SON, has LIFE. He who has NOT the Son, has NOT life.

Our Comments:

[It must have been that relationship to Jesus that even empowered Pat to take that cheap shot at the person she hates: Ellen White, in that typo that she claimed she made, but did not use her wordprocessing computer to correct. Remember that the number one quarrel that the saints during the Protestant Reformation had with papists was that they were blasphemous! They thought themselves above the scriptures. After that, the second complaint was that they were unscrupulous, or possessed no conscience. The agenda of Pat and the rest again is to destroy prophecy and to deceive or compel us to reject whole portions of scripture.

Remember that the scripture she gave is true, but taken out of context. Those who are in Christ will accept ALL the scripture, for we are told that man does not live by bread alone BUT BY EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Pat is here trying to say that all Christians, disobedient or not, have Christ and that they should all therefore unite together under her Pope.]

Pat Darnell:

The writer of the book of Hebrews spends all of his/her time showing how Jesus is greater than: Greater than the sacrificial system, it's priests, etc., and we are asked: How shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation?...it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!

Our Comments:

[Remember that the agenda is to destroy the Adventist distinctives, for in them is the claim that "THE POPE IS THE ANTICHRIST!" Christ Himself created the sacrificial system, the Ten Commandments and the prophecies pointing to the Papacy which Pat is falsely accusing Adventism of exalting as our salvation. Why use the argument that Christ is greater than all His works in the endeavor to force us to reject His very own words and capitulate to the papal conspiracy?

Pat is just one of that great army trying to trick God's people into thinking that the Gospel is Catholic leading to a forced submission of everyone to the mandates of those who will then govern through infiltration. We are letting you witness the highest quality deception from the people you have been trained to ignore, and which the Lord has warned you about. This is to compel a decision from you and to forewarn you of the things about to befall you so that you do not become offended at the Lord in the future, for He HAS sent you warning!

While you contend that God would not allow the denomination to be infiltrated nor taken over, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING, and worse: HE HAS WARNED YOU ABOUT IT AND WARNED YOU WHAT TO DO!!]

Pat Darnell:

God loves His Son very, very much. If we ignore Him, if we substitute our own silly deeds for HIS COMPLETED WORK, we will surely fall into the hands of the living God!

Our Comments:

[Why did Pat Darnell constantly trail our posts telling us we must understand that other would disagree with us, to then follow with her telling us we have to care if she thinks things she doesn't like are silly?  Will Pat Darnell let Christ accomplish her silly deeds of attacking Ellen White and going nuts that people believe, according to her and her Vatican friends, the "False Profit" that was "struck in the BRAIN with a rock?"

Of course, we do not ignore Christ, but who can disagree with someone like Pat as she has been trained, and who can even remind her that she continually tells everyone that they are going to have to accept the reality that people can see things differently and are going to disagree? ALL THE JESUITS HAVE ALWAYS DODGED THIS QUESTION. Want to try and ask them this question pointedly and see what happens?

The question she presents is one succinctly to be presented to Noah; for Noah preached about boarding a boat. Was the boat our salvation? Why then did the Lord give the prophecies and revelations to His church? The argument is not that these things save us, but CHRIST revealed these things to us for a reason. Whosoever refused to board the boat perished in the flood. The same thing will happen to all others who allow themselves to be fooled by these who struggle to use the name of Christ to overcome His plainly stated words of guidance all under a papal agenda.]

Pat Darnell:

Those of us who are parents can just a teeny bit understand how God will feel towards those who treat His Son with contempt.

We must keep our eyes FIXED ON JESUS, the mediator of a NEW COVENANT, and make every effort to live in peace with all men....

God bless us all,

Pat

Our Comments:

[And how can Pat make effort to be at peace with all men when she displays her hatred of Ellen White, does what she can to destroy the views of all who disagrees with her and then follows the common tactic of accusing all others of possessing her training? Remember that Pat's postings always only include Christ as a cover for the agenda to destroy Adventism. If she had her mind focused on Christ even as she presented it to us, we would never have had a problem neither with her, nor with any of her friends who had like training.]

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