JESUIT DIALOGUES !!
Harvey Plunkett's Challenge! Part III
Updated 10/15/00: Virtually only Aesthetic. Slight chnage on my final comment; Updated 11/15/2003: made easy to print out
[Here is my (Ted McMillan's) response to the email of Jerry Valen, who demonstrated the errors that were found in the challenge of Harvey Plunkett against the Adventist fundamental distinctive beliefs.]
From:
Ted McMillan
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 9:53 PM
To: Jerry Valen
Cc: Harvey Plunkett
Subject: RE: Harvey Plunkett's Email on the IJ
Dear Jerry
You know that we had been versed very thoroughly in what was written in our defense of the Investigative Judgment. You didn't have to tell me that Harvey was already defeated.
Harvey has posted the first real challenge to our website, but his challenge has failed.
If he is another enemy of the faith from Rome (as he already has shown evidence that he is ecumenical and that he doesn't respect the views of those who differ), he will simply ignore the points that you have made and pretend that you didn't make anything. He will then press his errors more and more.
Those points you gave attached below are real and they defeat the challenge of Harvey!
Thanks
Ted
[Did you hear what I said would be the result if the challenge to our website was plainly from another avowed enemy of the truth? Well remember what I said.
Here now is Harvey's response:]
From:
harvey plunkett
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 7:56 PM
To: Ted McMillan
Cc: Jerry Valen
Subject: Re: Harvey Plunkett's Email on the IJ
Major Brag and a pharse, Ted and Jerry,
On the whole your posts, in general, seldom offer a defense or promotion of thought which can be followed on a firm sound logical basis of fact from either Scriptures or history, except as a recognition of acusation or denial. In fact your overall compositions reflect the general attitude of the mass of professers, "away with the facts. I believe and therefore what I believe must be truth." Wouldn't matter much from which angle one might approach you with any of the facts, Biblical or Historcal, UNLESS OF COURSE ONE SHOULD SPEAK AGREEMENT WITH YOU."
Most of the time you talk in circles like a dog chasing and biting its tail. Arf. Arf. Ouch Ouch. How's that for being blunt with the blunt? And if you desire to label me as being discourteous and nasty consider Jesus responses to the Scribes and the Parisees for the foolishness of their challenges and accusations. Jhn.8:1-59.
Harvey Plunkett,
[As you can see here, Harvey is taking the common approach of accusing us of his crimes in order to cover up those crimes and push forward even more and harder his errors. You can see that his agenda is papal. Although the example cannot be fully shown here, typically what we would see demonstrated is this dogmatic claim to know all truth while stating that variant opinions are an imperative in discussion. In a sea of a free-loving people who do not believe that their opinions are the last word, are despots who have no trouble pushing their views as if they are. Their agenda is to make us look like them and as if we received their training, and to pretend that they are like us who love liberty, evidence and fairness. We were put into comparing our views with others and being convinced that we can never have truth so long as others disagreed only because those who are tyrannical were determined to have their way and to lord their opinions over us all for forced change.]
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