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Johnny was a hard working young man in his late thirties. He has lived a reasonably good life, went to college, secured a lucrative profession in the medical field, got married and had children. Yet, in his early twenties, he found the Lord and made his vows.

Jerry was also in his late thirties. He however, wound up being everything not to be desired. He was a high-school drop-out, ran away from home, became a womanizer, got entangled with the wrong company, became familiar with alcohol, and at times came very close to death.

One day while at the office, a very beautiful young lady visited Johnny for a health-related checkup. In the process she fell in love with him and began to seek his heart. After much persistence and determination, she caught him in a very compromising position and his strength gave way: he committed adultery with her.

After a while, Jerry became familiar with drugs. It didn’t take long for the next natural thing to take place. In order for him to secure money to support his drug habit, he severely beat a woman and robbed her. Jerry therefore wound up behind bars.

Here we have the story of Johnny and Jerry. Both lived and loved. Both endured the struggles of life. BOTH GOT IN TROUBLE.

Both of them need to find a way to get out of the trouble that they are in? Both of them are in bad shape. Both of them need some GOOD NEWS! BOTH OF THEM NEED A GOSPEL!

(Rom 13:1) Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. (Rom 13:2) Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. (Rom 13:3) For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: (Rom 13:4) For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Since the powers that be are ordained of God, we can use them as a figure or pattern to understand some of the operations of the even higher powers: the government of God in heaven.

Jerry is in prison, therefore the foremost thing on his mind is how to get out—how to get out of trouble.

Johnny is in trouble. He has committed a great crime against God and his family. He is bogged down by guilt and understands the consequences he must face. He now feels like he is an eternal enemy of God and can find no relief.

Jerry is determined to get out of the situation he is in at all costs. He therefore devotes his time toward contemplation of the situation. He reasons within himself why he was put in jail. He comes to the conclusion that he was put in jail because he had broken the law. He therefore reasons within himself that if he kept the law while he was in jail and became courteous and very respectful of everyone where he was—especially the guards—he would get out of the trouble that he was in.

Johnny is determined to get out of the trouble that he put himself in and make all things right. He reasons that he got into trouble because he broke the moral law. He therefore devotes his time toward contemplation of the situation. He then reasons within himself that if he kept the law from then on, shunned his former association and approached his wife and family with the same love and respect he had had before, he can continue with his life where it had been left off and broken, and everyone can act as if nothing had happened.

As Jerry started to perform what he had decided to do, he soon found out that it was no use.

Jerry found that the cause of his incarceration was the law. Every moral law has a penalty for its violation. It was the penalty which put him in prison. If the law he broke was suddenly lifted, no prison could hold him. The crimes he submitted to contrasted with the principles of the law. The contrast made his crime appear terrible, and this produced indignation against him and then invoked the penalty. Since therefore it was the law that put him in jail, what hope does he have in using the law to get himself out?

(Gal 3:19) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

He soon found out that it cannot work. No one can serve the law to get out of its condemnation. It was what put the person in trouble because he broke it. The only way out was to serve out the penalty for breaking it. Jerry is therefore miserable. He doesn’t know what to do.

It then came to Jerry’s realization that there was no way he could get himself out of the situation he was in. He then started to search for another option: something outside of himself and his own efforts. He thought and thought. It then came to his attention that there are essentially two options which can get him out of trouble. One option is the judge. But by this time it was already too late. The judge could have waived the penalty or lightened it for whatever reason. The judge already passed sentence however, it was therefore out of the question to depend upon him. But then, he realized that there was another option.

Jerry wrote to his family and begged them to appeal to the governor. He knew it must have been a long shot, but he endeavored to do any and everything necessary to get out of danger and to start a new and fresh life far different from the course he had chosen.

After a month, much to his surprise, the warden called him into his office. Jerry entered not knowing what the visit was all about. He was overjoyed to hear that the governor had decided to honor the request of his family. He was told that he was then a free man. FREE!! FREE!! He was on cloud NINETEEN!!

From this terrible experience Jerry learned a very hard lesson. Crime does not pay! He then learned after he got into trouble that keeping the law doesn’t get a person out of legal trouble.

Johnny, being dejected, lonely and sad was sitting on a park bench periodically crying miserably. He didn’t care that people noticed his despair. After a short time, he was approached by a SDA minister who had a sense of compassion toward him.

The minister informed him that there was something called THE GOSPEL, where provision had been made by someone outside of himself and yet invested with authority to lift the heavy burden from off his shoulders. He gladly accepted the invitation of peace, and soon Johnny not only got over his guilt problem, but his life of repentance and unswerving faith eventually won his wife and family back to his life. He was re-baptized and became a Seventh-day Adventist.

Three months after the start of Jerry’s new life, he was on his way to the grocery store, when one of his old buddies bumped into him. After the preliminary greetings, his friend offered him some cocaine. Jerry promptly refused and gave him a slight rundown of the trouble he had been in because of falling for that line. He told his friend that he was glad to be out to start a new life. His friend accused him of being a goody-goody two shoes, and told him that being all righteous like "Howdy-Doody" will not keep him out of trouble nor make him happy.

Johnny after starting his new life and acknowledging that he was now saved and out of trouble, decided to join a very prominent internet discussion newsgroup. At times he revealed his ordeal to everyone and gloried in the forgiving grace of Jesus.

One day Johnny sent a post in warning about the importance of proper Sabbath-keeping. The next day he received a reply post which informed him that Sabbath-keeping doesn’t save a person (or get a person out of trouble).

*Another person got in trouble. Christ came and got her out of trouble. What next?

(John 8:10) When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? (John 8:11) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: GO, AND SIN NO MORE.