THE "CULTIC" GOSPEL!

(One of the participants on a forum, posts an extremely deceptive article that falsely claims to defend the Gospel against Christ's own words).

Updated 3/2/2006

THE JESUIT GOSPEL:

We find many strange people pushing "the gospel" today. There are however two different groups and ways we can see to do this. One way is the way we have always seen while we were growing up. People would tell us about the life, sacrifice and grace of Christ and would then tell us to flee to Christ and from sin.

A different one has now introduced itself however. It tells us that we MUST ONLY focus upon Christ continually, and it bears special significance in attacking the doctrines of churches everywhere which made them distinct entities. If we preach about the prophecies and the warnings or reproofs, it tells us we must not do that, for we must focus on Christ alone because He only is our salvation. From thence comes all the accusations of legalism, Pharisaism, idolatry to anything but Christ, etc.

Christians have forgotten that the very first agenda of Jesuits typically is to make sure that no one calls the Papacy the Antichrist. No one from thence can seem to see that this is the same agenda being pushed upon the people. Rome sees that she cannot accomplish her purposes by directly stating what is her purpose. She has to do it in roundabout and least detectable ways. If you can cause people to reject prophecy, you save the Papacy from being exposed. If you cause people to ignore or neglect prophecy and bible doctrine, you can accomplish the same thing.

Thing is, those who tell us to focus on Christ only then go into every argument with us in order to destroy our acknowledgement of prophecy and the doctrines of the church. They argue with us to the wire, and demonstrate to us that they spent much time in research on the prophecies and doctrines of other churches, albeit to destroy their credibility and thus to destroy them. If we even post anything to support the claims of bible doctrine or prophecy, they tell us that we are not focusing on Christ in the very posts or words that we say. They then post in rebuttals to our doctrines and argue down to the wire into the very technicalities of the prophecies themselves they told us to expostulate on is to take all eyes off of Christ.

They bring all kinds of different interpretations about our understanding of the prophecies and then do what they can to make everyone else believe that we're arrogant to think that our interpretation of the prophecies is the only true interpretation. A problem then develops when we ask them one plain question. When we ask them what then is the true interpretation of the prophecies they tell us we definitely err on, they cannot provide an answer. We had thus found that they did not appear to teach us how to interpret the prophecies correctly, but came to destroy them and to make us reject them entirely. This must be accomplished through using the very name of Christ.

The problem is that the prophecies are the very words of Christ. The going agenda today is to make people believe that if you acknowledge or study the words of Christ, you don't focus on Him enough, and therefore you are lost. You can compare this theme with your mother.

Say that your mother has two sons, all claiming to love her supremely. One of them however, when he hears the words of his mother, he takes them to heart and studies them carefully, making sure he does them. The second one, when viewing this, criticizes the first son, telling him that focusing on the words of Mommy is not the true and greatest love to Mommy, and that he is wasting time, when he could be literally drooling over his mommy. The second one therefore makes sure that no one else acknowledges the words of Mommy. Yet, when he is present to argue with the first son who studies the words of his mommy and makes sure he accomplishes it, that second son would argue him down to the ground with Mommy's words and bring in all kinds of interpretations to make it look like the first son doesn't have the right interpretation.

What we're trying to show here is that the second son is skilled in the words of Mommy also. That accounts for the very reason why he is struggling against Mommy's words: he knows very well what they say, and therefore doesn't want to do what Mommy says. Although telling all that we should not even study the words of Mommy, but should focus on Mommy only, the second son demonstrates that he spent much time in study of the very words he is doing all to make us reject or ignore.

That is part of what we want to demonstrate here. What we're trying to show is that anyone who approaches telling us that he or she has the "pure Gospel" that we all should (must) accept, that person is a Jesuit. They are telling us that we must accept the Gospel without it being mixed in with the words of Christ Himself. Doctrine and prophecy were all given by Christ and were given for a very special reason. We have to figure out who in this universe created by Christ is smarter therefore. Christ deemed doctrine and prophecy as important. Are there others around us who are smarter?

Of course, we know that the Pharisees and the Jews in general debated much about doctrine and the law in Christ's day. We discovered that the motive was for self-glorification. These actually focused on doctrine and the law much more than Christ.

The example is repeated today in many who are attacking the law. Even forums where they frequently are found usually start out with them forming a formidable attack against doctrine. When members move to defend the doctrine attacked, the Jesuits then charge them with focusing too much on doctrine, and not on Christ. All can easily notice that theforums learn far more about doctrine from the posts of the Jesuits, than about Christ. They may post about Christ and all to cover their agenda to destroy Protestantism by destroying doctrine, but all such postings would be repetitive and all will see that they learn more about doctrine and Ellen White than about Christ.

Another problem surfaces when faced with these strange ones who claim to be presenting the "pure gospel." Sooner or later they will tell you what is their dream: the uniting of all the churches. One such person was asked that if the churches were to unite, who would be on top or control this union. He instantly replied with much wiliness: Jesus Christ.

OH! Something the churches could have never figured out all these two hundred years! Just unite and Christ would control it as He did all throughout the Dark Ages and the Protestant Reformation! Why couldn't we have figured it out?!

They will say that this uniting is, "under Christ," and when pressed for an answer as to the literal construction and supervision of this humongous global body, they will do everything imaginable to evade the inevitable question: who will lead these united churches? The actual answer is the Pope!

If you think not, can you explain why strange people are ranting and raving on the Adventist forums because the Adventist Church claims to be the true church and keeps the Ten Commandments but when it is brought out that Rome does the same thing, there is no problem? What explanation would you have for this? We are waiting to hear the explanation, for we have asked the Jesuits on the forums this question and they just ranted the question away with taunts and accusations leaving the question open to this very day.

To therefore understand the awesome issues, allow us to again present what Christ has said about prophecy--the prophecy contained in the book of Revelation in particular:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

We are going to witness for ourselves here Satan's words so that you can see the wiliness and deceptive arts in accomplishing the agenda stated above all covered over by the name and beauty of Christ.

What is being said here is that Christ gave prophecy to be understood. He neither created prophecy nor any part of the bible to be either ignored or to form debate clubs about it. It was wholly written for guidance, which means that people MUST know it and not be merely always debating about it.

The bible is a big book. If we are to focus on Christ only, the bible needn't be as big as it is. The bible also instructs in how to order your families, cities, nations, countries, etc. Failing to know how to order these things will be a concession for someone else to do it for you! That is part of the agenda!

The true Gospel encompasses ALL scripture. We were told that man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God (Matt. 4:4). Even the book of Revelation gives a blessing to those who read the prophecy, understands it, and keeps those things written therein.

If prophecy is speculative, wait for Christ to say so. All this that we hear about prophecy being speculative and therefore being a feeding ground for eccentric cults we do not hear from the Author of those prophecies, instead we hear it from the very masters of confusion and diverse interpretations. Let no one who comes around you telling you that diverse thoughts and interpretations are good and necessary then present to you whose thoughts are "cultic", "eccentric" nor anything of the like. That person works for the Papacy. The question to the person who says something like this is: "Which groups do you know of are cultic but those who have honest views that differ from yours?" Wait for Christ to tell you that His prophecies are speculative and are merely options to study or acknowledge--OR SHOULDN'T BE ACKNOWLEDGED! Let no self-appointed human-god presume upon you in this matter.

Next, notice how important prophecy is in the following words, and read for yourselves the destinies of all those who present what they call, "the pure gospel."

Rev. 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Here now are the words of a Jesuit, doing what he can to destroy those things which expose the Papacy in a roundabout way:

Originally dated: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:29:28 -0700

The following article has been abridged.

The Gospel versus "The True Church" by Aage Rendalen

Jehovah's Witnesses would have to be rather unbalanced to claim that the Bible is easy to understand. Their explanation of the "mark of the beast" in Revelation 13:18 will illustrate this: "The number six comes short of seven by one, just as six days would come one day short of a week. Since a 'man's number' is here concerned, six stands for fallen man's imperfections and shortcomings." With this clear and convincing premise, their exposition continues:

If we multiply that six by the number of the wild beast's horns, it multiplies that imperfection and deficiency tenfold. And if we square the ten (10 X 10 = 100) and multiply the six by that much, it multiplies the imperfection and deficiency a hundred fold. In the Bible three is a number representing emphasis, as when we say a thing three times successively (Ezekiel 21:27). So, if we raise six to the third degree in the wild beast's name (6 + 60 + 600), it emphasizes the imperfection and deficiency of the human political organization, which is symbolized by the wild beast under Satan's control.'

No wonder people need authoritative expositors if the Bible is so complex! How else would the world know that the United Nations is the beast?

The world has had its share of those who have claimed to know the biblical "secrets." The kingpin in every cultic machine is the obscurities of the Bible.

Please understand that the thought patterns prevalent in the mainstream of society is what justifies the very "cults" this man is talking about.

The word, "cult" became extremely popularized after the murders of the Branch Davidians in WACO. From thence, the controlled mainstream thought has encouraged fear of anything apart from the mainstream, while we must not be fearful (or "paranoid") about government or ecclesiastical actions in line with questionable and planned changes taking place all around. But it was the mainstream that told us that "diversity is the secret of our strength." They are therefore responsible for the very "cults" they are paranoid about. We are therefore viewing that the agenda for diversity was always a lie.

Calling organizations or people "cultic" is basically stating that they are not to be different or separate from the mainstream--totally hypocritical after the thrust for diversity of free thought they have pushed. Jesuits do this ONLY to allow forbidden views in. Once in, they work to destroy the views that always were present and upheld. And yet the very posting will start to make one wonder whether the person truly wants to focus on Christ, or whether or not his burden is more on the problem that churches still believe their doctrines and still don't want to unite under Rome.

What this man is yet telling us is that the prophecies cannot be understood. We can only speculate on them, but no one else (possibly except himself) can know what they actually mean or say. If we were to take things consisent with what everyone like him is saying, they are telling us that we therefore must relax, forget about them and just focus on Christ and celebrate all day long: something really great for everyone to do BUT HIMSELF! That is why he and all like labors here!

A creative spirit seizes an obscure prophecy or statement and discovers in it a "hidden truth" of unbelievable importance. But this "truth" is invariably so complex that only the most skilled" expositor can derive it from the Bible. This makes the expositor's organization indispensable and gives it an exalted position in the eyes of the convert. Here at last he has found the only people in the entire world who can explain the full truth of the Bible and of the universe.

This is jealousy theology designed to cast contempt upon those who use their diversity as society has commanded them to do. Even if it makes someone appear more important in his eyes, what is that to someone who has his eyes only focused and rested on Christ in celebration? Where is room for prejudice here? Why is this man worrying about what others think?

Many Christians feel that the Bible is not a real and satisfying authority unless all its ambiguities are removed. They know that the blood of Jesus cleanses from all sin, but its value seems to be somewhat limited when the 1,290 days of Daniel 12:11 remain unexplained. Nobody wants a truncated Christianity. And so the search for the "true" church begins.

By this passage, we get to more understand that the author has Seventh-day Adventism in view. This is injecting demeaning thoughts about others that cannot be confirmed. The object is to exalt the views of the author and have those views imposed upon the readers. People have the right to know the hidden secrets of the scriptures, for the Lord even encourages a searching of the scriptures. The Lord put those scriptures there for a reason and testifies in the very wording that the common man can, should, and even must understand it.

Take this very clear example of the attitude of the saints in comparison with the attitude expressed by this author in the book of Revelation:

5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Strange it is for this man to tell us to ignore the prophecies, and yet John the Revelator here, after witnessing a book that was written by God and yet sealed, cries "MUCH" because he cannot know what is written within it. What! Doesn't John the Revelator have Christ?!! When John the Revelator then reads the messages out of the Seals, would he be happy if they were ambiguous and not clear-cut?

Why is there this light-years difference in the Saints and in these who are presenting this message to us?

There is no shortage of "true" and "authentic" churches with unequivocal "answers" to every conceivable problem in philosophy or theology. They can offer the world a seamless robe of truth in which every ambiguity has been skillfully removed. They can lay bare the secrets of the universe. Not even God Himself can avoid the scrutiny of these skilled observers.

THESE WERE THE ARGUMENTS OF ROME AGAINST THE REFORMATION. Even now they always lash back at the many different Protestant denominations there are and cry out that this is the result of the Reformation, while missing the overwhelming advantages that have blessed the world in comparison to what was before it.

You can now witness that the author is ecumenical. This author needs to center upon Christ. That would subdue all his ecumenical prejudice so that all religions that claim to have the truth would not bother him. Since the Protestant Reformation, Rome had been telling the other churches that they need her for guidance. When the churches left, it was a new venture in seeking and depending upon the scriptures for answers and for guidance in their new world. Now the push is to rid our minds of every thought that we can even find any answers for guidance at all, by creating debates and controversies. One man's opinion is then weighed and canceled out by the contrary views of another. This was their plan all along.

In my personal experience, there would be a debate. Someone would inject an idea that is quite false. I would step up to show that the idea is false. A Jesuit would then step up to tone me down. He would try to get me to understand that the other man's idea is just as good as mine. I would refuse to accept that, and I will throw more evidence into the picture. The Jesuit would then accuse me of bigotry and prejudice WITHOUT making any part of his words ambiguous or uncertain. Once there is then even a moment of opportunity, he would then present his ideas and would allow no dissent from them.

Did you know and understand that the Protestant churches left Rome in order to find all the complete truths of the word after already discovering that salvation was in Christ alone? I have never witnessed true Adventists being concerned that there are other churches in the world which claim to be the true church. Never concerned enough to spend time writing books and periodicals just like these to tell us we must only focus upon Christ! This author is preparing us to ignore searching for more truth. It will be interesting to see what happens when global collapse and calamity then comes. The result will be all kinds of different opinions flying all around the air demonstrating the need for the singular voice of a dictator.

There is no doubt that these movements attract a large number of people. This is not difficult to understand. If people must choose between a clear and a blurred picture of reality, they will instinctively gravitate toward what is clear and certain. The human mind detests ambiguity. Experience shows that people will rather vote for a politician with false promises than one who offers none.

Yes, the bible also encourages minds that seek the clear and the certain. Since people will gravitate toward what is clear, should not their longings be met? Why should those with clear messages (like Christ) become extinct to the others who only bring a fog and confusion only to then tell us to forget everything Christ said so that we can just concentrate on Christ? Why do these then focus on uniting the churches under Rome to be included instead of focusing on Christ alone? When Christ spoke, He never started His sentences with any, "I personally believe..."

If it is true that the human mind detests ambiguity, what happens when we differ from the clear thrust of this poster who is not ambiguous at all about what he is trying to force upon our minds? Actually, what he stated is not true. If two political candidates ran for office, and one made promises and then was exposed that those promises were false, and the other refused to make any promises at all, they would choose the second politician and not the first. The author is taking upon himself the authority to pronounce what is false and what is not.

It is also strange that the saints also don't like ambiguity, that is why they read the bible, and that is even why the Protestant Churches even separated from Rome. The major Protestant theme was exemplified by this quotattion given by a William Chillingworth which was published in 1866:

The Bible, I say, the Bible only, is the religion of Protestants! I for my part, after a long and (as I verily believe and hope) impartial search of 'the true way to eternal happiness,' do profess plainly that I cannot find any rest for the sole of my foot but upon this rock only. I see plainly and with my own eyes, that there are popes against popes, councils against councils, some fathers against others, the same fathers against themselves, a consent of fathers of one age against a consent of fathers of another age, the church of one age against the church of another age.

In a word, there is no sufficient CERTAINTY but of Scripture only for any considering man to build upon. -- William Chillingworth, M.A., The Religion of Protestants, (London 1866), 463.

We are therefore witnessing a strange resurgence of regressive thought in the great wave of despot change masked with pleas to allow everyone to focus on Christ, while they must think for themselves. The Protestant mission was partly to eliminate the ambiguity so that she can stand on her own feet. Rome declared that ambiguity is eliminated ONLY through her decrees: the world needs a dictator. From since that time, Rome sent out infiltrators to rub our noses in ambiguity before they then press for changes that we all MUST accept without ambiguity under a dictator.

When Luther argued that the Bible was clear enough for laymen to read and to gain salvation through faith in Jesus, he did not overlook the fact that it contained many problematic texts. But he was careful to emphasize that the obscure passages did not teach anything different from the clear ones. In other words, the Bible does not have an apocryphal dimension which only the expert can appreciate. Said the Reformer: "It is indeed true that some passages of Scripture are dark; however, they contain nothing but precisely that which is found at other places in clear, open passages. But now the heretics come on, understand the dark passages according to their own mind, and contend with them against the clear passages, the foundation of our faith."

It did not teach anything different from the clear passages, but we are not always talking about instruction in righteousness. Scripture teaching about the Sacrifice that obtained salvation do not speak necessarily about current events and all. The author is here trying to make the argument against prophecy. He is working to make us ignore them. What happened to those in Noah's day who came to the conclusion that they were not going to worry about the preaching of Noah, but were just going to focus on Christ? What happened to those who did not board the boat? Were they saved by Christ?

Where else was the message of Matthew 24, telling the Christians to prepare to leave Jerusalem when an overflowing scourge was about to hit it in AD 70 found in the scripture about ultimate salvation? And why would Christ bring up what He said in Matthew 24 if they were already clear enough and prevalent for everyone to understand? Where else is the identification of the Beast power and how to overcome his wily arts? If these messages can be found elsewhere, pray tell show us! If that was altogether true, why did Christ include prophecy often through special visits of Himself to earth in order to communicate with prophets and apostles? Is Christ also smart enough to know that the message He is taking His time to bring to the earth is already in the bible? Luther was not referring to prophecy here.

What about that book of seven seals that John the Revelator saw? Although he had Christ, what was his problem? Where else is the message therein written in the bible, and if it is already written, why didn't John the Revelator understand that fact?

To Luther the Bible was intended to teach one primary truth--the life and death of Christ in our place. "For it does not write about men or about making a living, but about the fact that God's Son was obedient to His Father for us and fulfilled His will. Whoever does not need this wisdom should let this Book lie; it does not benefit him anyway."

While it is true that Christianity offers a full and complete salvation, it does not offer full and complete answers. We may regret this, but that does not make it less true.

This writer appears to know the answers. If we believed our apocalyptic interpretation, maybe we would ignore the words of this author? Would that pose a problem to him why he is focused here? But what you must understand is that this author is preparing the way for a dictator! You can find more information about this on this webpage. The object thence is to start a global crisis through the global infiltration of positions of influence and authority. When everything thence comes tumbling down, it is time to demonstrate that diversity of opinions and beliefs which they encouraged now cannot be profitable to take the world out of calamity. THE WORLD NEEDS A DICTATOR who can get rid of all ambiguities! THE WORLD NEEDS CLEAR CUT ANSWERS! If you were in a sinking ship, or even the citizen of a country, believe me, you will want to know that it is run by clear cut directives! Check out a Catholic poster who brings in this very premise on the ClubAdventist forums!

The apocalyptist is not willing to accept this fact, and that lies at the root of his problem.

There is actually a much bigger problem lying underneath with someone else. That problem lying underneath is this author lying above. He told us that we can have our honest views and that diverse opinions are necessary to reach our full potential as they all do to accomplish their agenda. There is therefore a problem when this author sees a problem if someone refuses to accept his views.

His view of God demands that the Bible contain all the answers to life's vexing problems. Since these answers are not to be found in the clear portions of the Scriptures, they must be buried somewhere in the obscure passages. In this way a new theological monstrosity is born.

But just think what would happen if the people the author is condemning actually comes to the same conclusions and interpretations of prophecy that he comes to. Then there would be no problem!

Part of the very divine nature of the bible and power of its attraction is its ability to answer life's "vexing" problems. Often the answers do not come right away, but the promise is that they do come sufficient unto the day and the need.

The next step is to defend the new-found answers against the inevitable onslaught of criticism from the established Christian world.

And how can this be? Mainstream dogma not only tells everyone that they can have their own views, but they tell us that we should not criticize or condemn anyone for their honest beliefs, nor not at all! They tell us that we must not insult or criticize anyone for the honest views they have come to, and that they should be allowed to question everything. They tell us that the fruit of the spirit is love, joy and peace; and when we expose the inconsistencies of those who are right now conspiring against and destroying society, they tell us that we are not Christian for doing so because we are accepting a critical spirit. If there is condemning and criticism going on, know for sure that it is also prompted by the Jesuits, for they are immune to every rule they push upon us. What happens if anyone questions this posting written by this author?

This has the effect of further confirming the new revelation and elevating it to a position where it overshadows the basic evangelical truths of the Bible.

And that includes the warnings of Christ in the last chapter of the bible which tells us that ANYONE who either adds to or takes away from the message of the prophecies is lost!

The author has inserted his own thoughts here in an attempt to force it on others. Even our forums connected to this website are hardly active. Other forums are active because every minute someone presenting thoughts as this author continues to send postings attacking church doctrine instead of purely teaching us about Christ as he claims is to be done. Yes, some Adventists can be found continually defending Adventist doctrine. The reason for that is the insatiable topics and attacks presented by those bringing the same message here. As soon as they enter any forum they immediately get into attack mode against adventist doctrine and then present to us the sweetness of ecumenical union with Rome. They never mention Rome now, for they have better sense. They always mention about union with the other churches. Just dig a little deeper, and you will find that the ultimate purpose is for union UNDER Rome.

THEY ARE TRYING TO SHOW US THAT THE TRUE GOSPEL IS CATHOLIC!

We must give up the Protestant mandate and forget all the churches have learned since their departure from Rome. They are telling us that we must surrender our beliefs about the Revelation since these are not Christ and do not save us. How thence are all our churches and our nations changing? Is this being done by people who are preoccupied with Christ? Does Christ make people so political?

The author has placed his own views in about people overshadowing the basic and fundamental truths of the bible. He is using Jesuit tactics.

The fact that new and speculative interpretations are attacked is regarded as confirming the essential validity of the movement. Since Satan and the whole world are determined to destroy these new discoveries, they must be supremely important!

There is no excuse for people like this author telling us to focus on Christ and to celebrate in him 24/7 to have time enough to attack another's views, even in line with what they told us about the necessity of respecting every other view. This person has taken time to attack the distinctive characteristics of churches. All our readers just have to join internet discussion forums to understand what is the true focus of all such. There is not a forum I know of that has people attacking Adventist truth upon it who post more about Christ than attacking Ellen White and Adventist doctrine. In every case you always learn far more about Ellen White and Adventist doctrine than you learn about Christ. They continually present what they claim are new revelations about Ellen White and cannot do the same about Christ. Even what they tell us about Christ is often repetitive, while all kinds of stuff surface about Ellen White through vast "research." If we dare to do research on them, they do what they can to make everyone believe that we are hateful and criminals on the wrong focus and in the wrong accusative spirit.

People crave recognition. By joining the "true" church, they suddenly find themselves elevated to a spiritual aristocracy, the elite of mankind which alone has grasped the deeper dimensions of reality. Obviously, a person who has been taken from the gray mass of ordinary people and placed on such a pedestal of glory will be Profoundly thankful and loyal to his benefactor organization. He will be reluctant to relinquish the very views which conferred such rank upon him. The feeling of being so special can be very intoxicating. This is one reason why the gospel of Jesus Christ has never been given much emphasis in true" churches.

How did this strange person miss Rome, and even her public declarations of being the "ONE AND ONLY TRUE CHURCH??"  This author now spues his ecumenical prejudice upon the minds of innocent people, and has placed his judgments in to discredit them. He mentions about the posibility of relinquishing view, but how skillful is he at relinquishing his own even against the testimony of the scriptures about the prophecies? One way to know these are Jesuits is when you see as part of their agenda that others must "RELINQUISH" their views. We have been on forums where they posted to us that we must understand that people will disagree with us as they accused us of opposing them only because they disagreed with us. They then worked continuously to change the views of all those who supported Adventism.

Whether you know it or not, Jesuits are often identified by their terrible concern that people everywhere believe that they are members of the true church. These cannot be convinced that being worried about that is plainly not their business, neither will you be able to convince them to take their thoughts off of the beliefs of others and focus it upon Christ. These are Jesuits, and they therefore have much better sense! They believe that THEIR CHURCH is the one and only true, and they will demonstrate that by trying to shame other churches which think the same way and which never carried that belief to the fanaticism of unbelievable and unsurmountable bloody mass-murder.

He demonstrates the necessity of relinquishing views, but not on his part. Let him focus on Christ, and he will have no time to hate anyone, nor to be concerned about what he is writing about here. Remember also what Christ told the Woman at the Well in John 4:22 when she tried to compare her religion to His. He told her:

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

We would all therefore rather dwell with the "arrogant" Christ.

The disconcerting fact of that gospel is that it confers special status on everyone who accepts God's saving work through Jesus Christ. This is too simple, too cheap. When the cultic spirit acknowledges the gospel, it always does so with a "but." "Of course I believe in Jesus Christ, but Often the gospel is viewed as a decided threat to the "identity" of a "true" church.

If the gospel then confers special status upon EVERYONE who accepts God's saving work, there would be no condemnation upon the people he is condemning here who, like Christ, believe that there is a true and singular meaning to prophecy and that Christians must have it. The people whom he condemns loves Christ also. Often those who believe they are in the true church believe that there are honest and saved Christians in other denominations. Christ probably believed the same thing also when He met the woman at the well? Those who accepts Christ's saving work, but yet, like Christ, believe that their church is the true church must also not be condemned.

Ecumenical people (Jesuits) always pretend that they are struggling for the equality of all peoples. They therefore must convince the world that those who believe they are members of the true church are bigoted, legalistic, pharisaical, and that they believe that members of all other churches are inferior Gentiles. This is contrary to the Papal declaration last year (2000) that the Catholic Church is the one and only true church. They are therefore struggling to push their own prejudice not acquired by Christ on to their listeners.

Please take note that these are already murderers. In times of crisis just ahead, to push these thoughts upon the multitudes will prove deadly for all those who are members of the Remnant. The New Testament testifies often of how the Pharisees were able to foment persecution and martyrdom upon the Christians by pushing similar prejudice upon them. Those ecumenical people who therefore do this are already counted as murderers before all of heaven. It will soon be seen that this statement is horrifyingly conservative of them.

It never was and never will be the concern of God's people that others think they are members of the true church. The Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses and other groups believe that they are members of the true church. I've got news for you: God's true people are not bothered by this!

The essential problem is that everyone who accepts Christ will study all His words and will reject none of it. What is the insignia which proves that someone has accepted Christ? Who has accepted Christ more: the one who claims to accept Him and love Him? Or the one who claims to and yet makes up his time in studying about this new obsession in his life in all the examples given through scripture of the lives of men? Is this author telling us that all we need to do is to believe in Jesus and then just mind our business and be fed by pastors who think like him only? What happens to all the other scriptures dealing with history and all, and why does John the Revelator also have that big BUT because no one could open up that book of seven seals?

When it has built its claim to status and exaltation on a bogus gospel, the coming of the true gospel will not be welcomed.

All illegal judgments and we have again reached a plateau of a statement here that no one can disagree with. Where is this man's criteria and how does that criteria stand under the mainstream dogma of respect for all opinions? Where does he reserve for himself dictatorship status?

After all, if the gospel were to be accepted as the epitome of divine revelation, no Christian would be any more special than anyone else. All would be special. All would be brothers. But that just cannot be true, because no one else understands the 1,290 days of Daniel 12:11!

The author therefore creates a hateful picture of those who do not agree with him. His words do not align with what Christ said to the woman at the well in John 4:22. As a matter of fact, Christ is here charged and criticized automatically by one who, like so many others, have his mind so enraptured in Christ alone. All Christians are brothers, but Christians advance into new light. Many of those who believe that they have a special message love other Christians. If not, what better way to get even than to let those other Christians perish in not knowing the special truths that they know? For what reason can anyone assume that an honest Jehovah's Witness would go from door to door? Don't look now, but this author, as one of many, is all too ready to fill in the gaps for all.

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Since only eight were saved in Noah's day and we were told that in the last days deception strong enough to even challenge the very elect will come, we have not the slightest thought of believing that as many Christians will be saved as those who file their taxes in the United States. The Revelation definitely does tell us that those who reject or willfully ignore its message are lost. The bible definitely does tell us that a minority will be saved. This is contrary to an ecumenical Dark Ages gospel where we are all ultimately compelled to accept the "gospel" by force. Few realize that that is what this author is actually presenting here.

Whenever people establish their identity by anything else than the gospel. Whether the Supper, baptism, the rapture or spiritual gifts, they will be uncomfortable with a gospel which overlooks such concerns when it grants its titles and blessings.

But there is another identity here with "the gospel." Someone has to focus on a special group in Christianity today which he now attacks.

But where in the scriptures does it state that the Gospel overlooks any scriptures? If this author overlooks many scriptures, why does the gospel have to follow him? Which gospel is ever true which tells us that we have to discard any portion of scripture in order to be saved? Why does this author unleash his unfair judgments upon all without allowing anyone to disagree? When can he determine for sure that someone who has found out the secrets of prophecy and all are merely establishing their identify on that alone and not on Christ? Was Noah establishing his identity upon a boat?

Question: Then why was God stupid enough to make these apocalyptic truths and all the other writings we must not dwell upon? Whose fault is it that portions of the scriptures are in argument and debate? Did we write those words?

You can tell this is a Jesuit author, for he tells us that Christians who regard the whole scripture have rejected Christ. He even tells us that the apostles left the Old Testament. Remember that historically they burned bibles for hundreds of years. Only papists in direct military league with the Vatican have the conscience--or lack thereof--to discard or change the scriptures. That has always been a distinct and identifying marker.

It is true that Adventists teach some things that the Apostles did not know. The very prophecy given to Daniel through the angel in Daniel 8 and 9 were followed with inquiries by Daniel on the meaning. Daniel was told that it was not for him to know the meaning, but that the meaning will be known at the time of the end. That time has fully come now, and it was recently that the meaning of the same scriptures of Daniel was not permitted to know were unfolded to all. I truly don't see how the apostles are going to know the truths about the TIME of the judgment when the angel already told Daniel that these things will be sealed till the end of the world (Dan. 12:9). Still yet, you can see that the author's peace "in Christ" is very much disturbed by groups that refuse to be ecumenical. It is such an epidemic now-a-days leading to a Time of Trouble such as was not since there was a nation; even to our same time. Other groups claiming to have all truth do not bother God's people!

Said the apostle Paul, "For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified" (1 Cor. 2:2).

Can anyone respond that they want to know about Christ only, and don't want to know about cultic churches that focus on doctrines either? This author could have been the very first to embrace this principle, but we learned more in this posting about people and churches than we learned about Christ. Examine the posting carefully and enumerate what you have learned in a table both about Christ, and then about cult groups defined as those who do not agree with this author. See what you find.

Paul spoke this because of the continual and incessant tirades about the law by the Jews. That was a localized scripture that dealt with a local issue.  That's why Paul said that he doesn't want to know anything else, "AMONG YOU" except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. That was not the case with others, but Paul was addressing the problem of the specific group he was talking to. Neither is it possible that these presenting this weird ecumenical gospel can present and post about Christ alone so that we can have some example to go by. Much of the fuel of the arguments and forums start with an attack on Adventist doctrine first and continuously by these pretending to be defending the gospel. I repeat again: that's why other forums are extremely busy with heated arguments, and our forum is very much relatively quiet. It is in that sense that all the charges that we are argumentative and all demonstrates to be false.

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